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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

O.k., coming back again to the unattractive cargo-floor Rolling Eyes

The most annoying points were ...

- wavy floor

- waves at the driver-site-wall

- because the coachbuilder fixed the 2 floor halves in the wrong order, the middle seam was not smooth and the welding points were done from underneath

- the locking-rod of the left double-door scratched over the floor and ‘plops’ into the hole of the reinforcement plate

- the floor-panels rises up towards the engine-compartment-wall

- the Z-jump at the bottom of the engine-compartment-wall was not rectangular

For the last 2 point seems to be the too short cargo-floor-panels responsible.

These issues caused me a headache and bad mood each time I saw it Confused
(unfortunately about 10 months because of a longer pause without any progress)


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So after that pause I tried first to improve the height of the reinforcement plate to avoid shortening the double door lock-rod.

The reinforcement plate could be lowered by approx. 1 to 2 mm through countless hammer blows.
But this was not enough.
It seemed that the outer-rocker was about 5mm too high (even if the measurements of the original and the WW-part are identical).

Unfortunately the coachbuilder removed the original outer-rocker without having marked its original position.
During installation of the new part, we concentrated exclusively on the correct position and accuracy of fit to the outer shell …


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Some sleepless nights followed … Sad


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Man what a terrible job of installing that floor Sad

I am sorry that you had such a bad experience with your body-shop.

I hate it when you pay someone to do it right and the you get a result which is worse than what a good hobbyist could have done.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Hello Michael,

it seems, that you have made the same experiences?!

Yes, it is really annoying and maybe I will write a book about this issue after this project is finished Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

... some sleepless nights and days of deliberation about all the points of the unattractive cargo-floor passed by Confused

My first approach of trying to gloss over the different points didn't help.
Even if a large part of the areas will be covered up later (with rubber mats, interior panels, etc.) I know that the mess is still there.
And the voice inside my head wouldn't stop reminding me Smile

So it was not the right basis for further work.

I have to confess, that this was one of the hardest decisions during this project: Removing the new cargo-floor.

It took a little bit time to do the first cut, but afterwards I felt relived and on the right way Smile


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… unfortunately, I had grinded the welding-points so smooth, that it was a challenge to find each center to mark it up correctly for the welding-point-driller…


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… expensive scrap metal …


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… it was very time-consuming to remove the remaining sheet metal underneath the partition wall to the engine compartment …


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Finally, the remaining body adhesive was removed …


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Now it was time to order new floors-halves Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do people care so much about what he paid? You can rest assured that when bus things sell outside the internet, they're usually a LOT cheaper. Deduct even more if the folks don't know what they have. Of course, the inverse is often true too. Crazy folks who think they have GOLD in their rusty POS's.... but those never sell, do they?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

I think one of the things you should do is stop calling the guy who put the floor in a "coach builder". Nothing he did even remotely comes close to the work of a true coach builder. Haha.

Secondly, sir, get yourself a grinder with a thin cutoff wheel! My God, using tin snips to cut the floor out is truly the hard way around the Horn. Wow. I suggest checking out D-mop Garage(building a barndoor SC almost from scratch out of Australia) on YouTube or any of the hundreds of other metal workers littered about the interwebs for tips and tricks. I assume you inherited that mess from someone in America? I've not read the entire thread.

Cool bus and best of luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

I feel sore just looking at your photos.

How many bodily cuts did you get?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Hello swharris,

I’m a little bit disappointed that you haven’t followed this thread since the beginning Sad

You have missed some contexts Smile

Many thanks.

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I think one of the things you should do is stop calling the guy who put the floor in a "coach builder". Nothing he did even remotely comes close to the work of a true coach builder. Haha.

Secondly, sir, get yourself a grinder with a thin cutoff wheel! My God, using tin snips to cut the floor out is truly the hard way around the Horn. Wow. I suggest checking out D-mop Garage(building a barndoor SC almost from scratch out of Australia) on YouTube or any of the hundreds of other metal workers littered about the interwebs for tips and tricks. I assume you inherited that mess from someone in America? I've not read the entire thread.

Cool bus and best of luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Hello Barry,

even if in sum 420 welding-points were drilled out and some meters were cut, fortunately no injuries occurred Very Happy


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I feel sore just looking at your photos.

How many bodily cuts did you get?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

… until the new floor-halves arrived, the time was used to prepare the new angles for the interior-panels and record all measurements in my project-diary …


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

... the new cargo-floor-halves arrived Very Happy

Fortunately, this version was painted completely with primer
(… don’t know why my first version was not primed …)


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The first fitting to check which areas have to be adjusted.


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… it seems, that the sheets are not long enough, because in the end a few millimeters are missing …


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… the cut-out at the heating pipe had to be enlarged a little bit …


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What a beautifully smooth surface Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

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... the new cargo-floor-halves arrived Very Happy

Fortunately, this version was painted completely with primer
(… don’t know why my first version was not primed …)


The original panels didn't get the full rust prevention coating like they do now. It was cheaper that way, but the panels would rust quickly if not installed and painted quickly.

Looking good!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

A 20 year, four country restoration

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

peecee69 wrote:
bcs wrote:
... the new cargo-floor-halves arrived Very Happy

Fortunately, this version was painted completely with primer
(… don’t know why my first version was not primed …)


The original panels didn't get the full rust prevention coating like they do now. It was cheaper that way, but the panels would rust quickly if not installed and painted quickly.

Looking good!


Just a heads up....

2022 info on the green primer: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=766718&highlight=klassic+fab
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Hello peecee69,

I’m very happy that the new floor has already primer around, so I don’t feel stressed to finish quickly Very Happy

Many thanks.

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bcs wrote:
... the new cargo-floor-halves arrived Very Happy

Fortunately, this version was painted completely with primer
(… don’t know why my first version was not primed …)


The original panels didn't get the full rust prevention coating like they do now. It was cheaper that way, but the panels would rust quickly if not installed and painted quickly.

Looking good!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Hello Abscate,

believe me, I’m a little bit embarrassed that this project is taking so long Embarassed Very Happy

( … one of my workmates asked me a few years ago, if it won’t be better to sell this project and enjoy the free-time Very Happy )


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A 20 year, four country restoration

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Hello Eric&Barb,

thank you very much for your tip, which gave me a headache for a moment Confused
The reason: The green primer was not removed before the subsequent painting work (as you will see in the posts later on).

But until now the paint has not come off Very Happy

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peecee69 wrote:
bcs wrote:
... the new cargo-floor-halves arrived Very Happy

Fortunately, this version was painted completely with primer
(… don’t know why my first version was not primed …)


The original panels didn't get the full rust prevention coating like they do now. It was cheaper that way, but the panels would rust quickly if not installed and painted quickly.

Looking good!


Just a heads up....

2022 info on the green primer: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=766718&highlight=klassic+fab
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

Now it’s time to drill all the holes for the welding-points.

The removed first floor-halves got very wavy during the welding.
Maybe one reason for this could be the large number of spot welds, which have now been reduced for this floor:
Only one welding point for each cross-brace mounting-point.



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As a precaution I bought 2 different seatbench-mount-brackets.

Both versions were weighed …



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… and the preference was given to the ‘heavier’ version Wink



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

After the 2 floor-halves had been prepared, it was time to adjust the top of the outer cargo-door-rocker.

The upper edge was approx. 4 ... 5 mm too high.

So first of all the top strip was cut off …


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Because of my first adjustment-tries, both holes for the door-locking-rod were no longer useable.

To have a new part including top-strip, the needed section was cut off from a new disassembled cargo-door-rocker ...


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The last Millimeters of the vertical section were cut off to have the correct height ...


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After that there is now enough space and the door-locking-rod does not scratch over the floor anymore ... Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister Reply with quote

After the time-consuming ‘cargo-floor and outer-rocker’-topic, it’s time for a little change:

The aircleaner was outside in a dentfree-condition but inside rusty.


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To have a good starting basis for the paintjob later on, it should also be sandblasted.

But having afterwards all the sand and dust inside the fiber-filter-material?

Better not. So, the fiber was completely removed through the numerous holes …


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But which new material is suitable as a matching replacement?

Having a closer look inside our cleaning-agent-cabinet, my attention was driven to sponges which are normally used in the kitchen.

They are made from endless stainless-steel-spirals. It seems to be the perfect solution (but please don’t tell my wife Very Happy )


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After the aircleaner was restored, the 3 sponges were threaded through one of the holes by using a wooden stick, tweezers and a dentist instrument.

I hope that this solution will also prove its worth in later operation ...



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