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85jacamper
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I replaced my 85 Westy with MB 16" wheels. Had wheel adapters installed because of the wheel offset. Put on 215 55 16 HR Dayton. The ride is like night and day. No longer grabbing the steering wheel when I see a 18 wheelers coming toward me( from the opposite roadway). A lot easier to find tires for 16 inch wheels or 15 inch wheels
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Ericthenorse
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The setup that gowesty sells ends up having a different diameter than stock. They did a lot of figuring and came up with a size that will make up for the difference in the speedo.... I got to run my van down the drag strip a few times with the MBZ wheels I have (benefit to working at a track) They figure MPH down to .00 so I am fairly sure to be accurate... With the slightly taller tires 50mph is almost spot on, and when my speedo said 80, the clocks said I was at 80.75... Close enough for me... Maybe I will have to go back with the stock tires and see just how far off they are...
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Dant
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As I have 15" SA steel wheels coming today, I have been researching and searching TIRES.
My question today is: Anyone have any Kumho Road Venture AT KL78 - 215/75sr15's?
If so, how do you like them? The specs do say "standard sidewall", but are C load rated.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+AT+KL-78
Tires are going on the 91 Syncro (on the 15" steel wheels). I was kinda wanting something less aggressive than the BFG KO's.
Any opinions are welcome...
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Dant
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Need to get some tires! |
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I got the wheels (SA 15"steel) from the Vancafe today, with some other stuff. Everything came as I ordered it, with cookies, ya can't complain about that.
Are there any alternatives to the BFG KO's? I guess I think they are going to look fat. I kinda like skinny tires...it looks like I will get the BFG's though, Probably can't go wrong with them?
Finally got some weather here in Ohio, I must try and post some pics one of these days.
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Dant
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Some pics, the "blizzard" and the rusty syncro
[img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186690646913367234
[/img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186690896021470434
[img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186690999100685554
[/img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186691076410096898
[img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186690745697615058
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Dant
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[/img]http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58/BlizzardAndRustySyncro/photo#5186690896021470434[img]
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another try...
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Dant
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What a rookie, sorry
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Dant
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Rusty Syncro
[img]http://lh6.google.com/dant58/R_rT48EcvOI/AAAAAAAAAFg/6wKYZ157dqo/s144/DSCF0478.JPG.jpg"[/img]
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Dant
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link to some pics:
http://picasaweb.google.com/dant58
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dawna82
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Hi,
So i need new tires. i have a short attention span and i have tried and tried to read alllll the posts about tires. but i just cant take the research anymore! 
I have an 82 westy with what looks to be the original tires, unfortunately.
I desperately need new brakes.. is this something i need to do different if i am end up getting a 15" set-up? Brakes before new tires would be the smartest thing anyway..
what do you all think about these?
"Factory Audi 15" Speedline alloys 5x112 with tires. rims are 15"x7"... 5x112 bolt pattern, offset is 45. 8 spoke mini light style"
someone near me is sellin em.
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joetiger 
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You basically have two choices.
Option 1:
You'll search high and low for a good deal on some wheels that may or may not fit. You'll research fitment, and after a SOLID week in the "wheels and tires" thread, will find that they're so close but need machining, spacers, longer lugs/studs, lug holes drilled out, or any combination of these toils. You'll remember seeing a post somewhere about which Porsche studs some guy used on his '81 Westy but you just can't pinpoint where it was. You'll search. You'll search again. You'll use a million terms but where the hell was that POST?
While compiling this information, you'll be looking for tires. Tirerack.com, tireseasy, tirecrawler, etc. You'll then need to research whether the tires you like meet the load requirements of the Vanagon and you'll search thread after thread for others' reviews of said tire. You'll find that the tires that are a great deal just barely won't do it, and you'll end up finding, after days of reading about BFG Long Trails on Pathfinders and about whether or not Continental Vancos really do suck in the snow that the proper tires just plain cost money.
In the meantime, you'll be doing the math. You'll find that the wheels you were getting a great deal on will, after much research, definitely require modifications to either the wheel, your lugs/studs, center hole bore, or all three, which will nullify that great deal you were thought you were getting.
The end result? After your hours and days of sleepless research and lost work time and lost play time in which friends and family will think you've spectacularly lost your marbles, you will add it all up and find that the modified wheels and the tires (after shipping and mounting/balancing) come out to right around $1100.
Option 2:
Buy a wheel/tire set from one of the vendors for right around $1100.
What you'll do:
Initially, you'll choose Option 1. We all do. (We're rugged individualist Vanagon drivers, for heaven's sake.) But then when it's time to pull the trigger, your true personality will reveal itself:
Personality A:
You'll realize that Option 2 was there all along. You're an efficient person who likes to make sharp decisions based on all data available. You're eager to solve this problem and move on to the next one. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches by choosing Option 2, and you'll have correct-fitting, properly-rated wheels and tires in a snap. You'll sleep well in the knowledge that you checked all avenues but in the end, you trusted the professionals and went with a very solid choice. Your friends, family, and peers will laud your decision, and you will continue on your path to Vanagon Happiness.
(And then you'll naturally move on to "engine conversion vs. rebuild" research.)
Personality B:
You'll see Option 2 out there and know that it's there for the taking, but you're stubborn and a bit prideful. You won't want your days of red-eyed research to be for naught. You'll stick with Option 1 and fight tooth and nail until you get the very specific tires you want on the very specific rims you want. It might take massive shipping costs. It could require the extreme modifications mentioned above, along with a nice sprinkling of blood, sweat, and tears. None of this matters. You will not be thwarted in the quest for your own singular version of Vanagon Wheels and Tires. They will be a badge of honor upon your Vanagon. Sure, that guy over there withn the cherry '87 Weekender has awesome Mefro Steelies and Nokians and they look great, fit perfectly, and do everything they're supposed to, but did he suffer for them the way you did for yours? Hell no.
You will leave a trail of destroyed friendships in your wake. Your family will consider an intervention. But it won't matter, none of it will matter, because regardless of what they think, they'll never have the ability to see an Audi A6 rolling down the street and think to themselves:
"5x112 15x7.5 ET45, 57MM centerbore, 12mm lug holes. 15mm spacers front. Centerbore holes drilled to 66mm. Lug holes drilled to 14mm. Longer lugs in front, longer studs in rear."
Or pull up to the grocery store and see a 1992 Mercedes C Class:
"5x112 15/6.5, ET 41. Or maybe ET37. 5mm spacers up front. Lug holes drilled from 12mm to 14mm."
Or perhaps see a Jag with cool wheels and think,
"5x114.5. Won't fit."
Or always keep an eye out at the U-pull-it yard for Merkur Scorpios, which you KNOW are nonexistent, but which came with extremely unique 5x112 wheels that could...maybe...fit....
So there are your choices. Nobody can make these decisions for you. It is a path upon which we all have walked and occasionally stumbled, but in the end, it's all part of your initiation. Some, myself included, have walked the path several times. I think it's a form of cleansing, really, like wandering into the desert and fasting.
Those Audi wheels you want? 15mm spacers. Centerbore holed drilled to 66mm. Longer lugs and studs.
Welcome to hell, my friend.
As far as your brakes, make sure they're serviced and working well. 15" wheels and tires, as long as you don't go too big with your tires, it shouldn't affect performance too badly.
Signed,
Ronal R9 15/7.5 ET23 66MM centerbore 14mm lug holes (conical seat) wrapped in Yokohama Geolandar 215/70/15's.
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'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'91 Wolfsburg Carat "Barchetta"
'02 Baja-ish Beetle "Bubbles"
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
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Jake de Villiers
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You basically have two choices.
Option 1:
You'll search high and low for a good deal on some wheels that may or may not fit. You'll research fitment, and after a SOLID week in the "wheels and tires" thread, will find that they're so close but need machining, spacers, longer lugs/studs, lug holes drilled out, or any combination of these toils. You'll remember seeing a post somewhere about which Porsche studs some guy used on his '81 Westy but you just can't pinpoint where it was. You'll search. You'll search again. You'll use a million terms but where the hell was that POST?
While compiling this information, you'll be looking for tires. Tirerack.com, tireseasy, tirecrawler, etc. You'll then need to research whether the tires you like meet the load requirements of the Vanagon and you'll search thread after thread for others' reviews of said tire. You'll find that the tires that are a great deal just barely won't do it, and you'll end up finding, after days of reading about BFG Long Trails on Pathfinders and about whether or not Continental Vancos really do suck in the snow that the proper tires just plain cost money.
In the meantime, you'll be doing the math. You'll find that the wheels you were getting a great deal on will, after much research, definitely require modifications to either the wheel, your lugs/studs, center hole bore, or all three, which will nullify that great deal you were thought you were getting.
The end result? After your hours and days of sleepless research and lost work time and lost play time in which friends and family will think you've spectacularly lost your marbles, you will add it all up and find that the modified wheels and the tires (after shipping and mounting/balancing) come out to right around $1100.
Option 2:
Buy a wheel/tire set from one of the vendors for right around $1100.
What you'll do:
Initially, you'll choose Option 1. We all do. (We're rugged individualist Vanagon drivers, for heaven's sake.) But then when it's time to pull the trigger, your true personality will reveal itself:
Personality A:
You'll realize that Option 2 was there all along. You're an efficient person who likes to make sharp decisions based on all data available. You're eager to solve this problem and move on to the next one. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches by choosing Option 2, and you'll have correct-fitting, properly-rated wheels and tires in a snap. You'll sleep well in the knowledge that you checked all avenues but in the end, you trusted the professionals and went with a very solid choice. Your friends, family, and peers will laud your decision, and you will continue on your path to Vanagon Happiness.
(And then you'll naturally move on to "engine conversion vs. rebuild" research.)
Personality B:
You'll see Option 2 out there and know that it's there for the taking, but you're stubborn and a bit prideful. You won't want your days of red-eyed research to be for naught. You'll stick with Option 1 and fight tooth and nail until you get the very specific tires you want on the very specific rims you want. It might take massive shipping costs. It could require the extreme modifications mentioned above, along with a nice sprinkling of blood, sweat, and tears. None of this matters. You will not be thwarted in the quest for your own singular version of Vanagon Wheels and Tires. They will be a badge of honor upon your Vanagon. Sure, that guy over there withn the cherry '87 Weekender has awesome Mefro Steelies and Nokians and they look great, fit perfectly, and do everything they're supposed to, but did he suffer for them the way you did for yours? Hell no.
You will leave a trail of destroyed friendships in your wake. Your family will consider an intervention. But it won't matter, none of it will matter, because regardless of what they think, they'll never have the ability to see an Audi A6 rolling down the street and think to themselves:
"5x112 15x7.5 ET45, 57MM centerbore, 12mm lug holes. 15mm spacers front. Centerbore holes drilled to 66mm. Lug holes drilled to 14mm. Longer lugs in front, longer studs in rear."
Or pull up to the grocery store and see a 1992 Mercedes C Class:
"5x112 15/6.5, ET 41. Or maybe ET37. 5mm spacers up front. Lug holes drilled from 12mm to 14mm."
Or perhaps see a Jag with cool wheels and think,
"5x114.5. Won't fit."
Or always keep an eye out at the U-pull-it yard for Merkur Scorpios, which you KNOW are nonexistent, but which came with extremely unique 5x112 wheels that could...maybe...fit....
So there are your choices. Nobody can make these decisions for you. It is a path upon which we all have walked and occasionally stumbled, but in the end, it's all part of your initiation. Some, myself included, have walked the path several times. I think it's a form of cleansing, really, like wandering into the desert and fasting.
Those Audi wheels you want? 15mm spacers. Centerbore holed drilled to 66mm. Longer lugs and studs.
Welcome to hell, my friend.
As far as your brakes, make sure they're serviced and working well. 15" wheels and tires, as long as you don't go too big with your tires, it shouldn't affect performance too badly.
Signed,
Ronal R9 15/7.5 ET23 66MM centerbore 14mm lug holes (conical seat) wrapped in Yokohama Geolandar 215/70/15's. |
Great essay Joe. This could be a Sticky! 
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joetiger
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Thanks Jake, I recently watched another Vanagon owner go through the whole ordeal and felt like it needed to be added to the record for posterity!
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'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'91 Wolfsburg Carat "Barchetta"
'02 Baja-ish Beetle "Bubbles"
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
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floggingmolly
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Joe is right, it takes time and you don't save much by DIY, ask me how I know. That being said, I like the look of mine (from an E420) and I get a lot of compliments. I didn't want what everybody had (although now sometimes GoWesty offers a very similar wheel) and I actually enjoyed the hunt. My cost came very close to $1,000 when I figured the cost for the wheels ($200 off craigslist), the tires, spacers, proper bolts, and proper studs (plus $135 for pressing the studs in the rear wheels).
So you might save a little by looking high and low for the right offset, etc. but not much. If you find a set you like, go for it!
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Fhak915
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ersonality B:
You'll see Option 2 out there and know that it's there for the taking, but you're stubborn and a bit prideful. You won't want your days of red-eyed research to be for naught. You'll stick with Option 1 and fight tooth and nail until you get the very specific tires you want on the very specific rims you want. It might take massive shipping costs. It could require the extreme modifications mentioned above, along with a nice sprinkling of blood, sweat, and tears. None of this matters. You will not be thwarted in the quest for your own singular version of Vanagon Wheels and Tires. They will be a badge of honor upon your Vanagon. Sure, that guy over there withn the cherry '87 Weekender has awesome Mefro Steelies and Nokians and they look great, fit perfectly, and do everything they're supposed to, but did he suffer for them the way you did for yours? Hell no.
You will leave a trail of destroyed friendships in your wake. Your family will consider an intervention. But it won't matter, none of it will matter, because regardless of what they think, they'll never have the ability to see an Audi A6 rolling down the street and think to themselves:
"5x112 15x7.5 ET45, 57MM centerbore, 12mm lug holes. 15mm spacers front. Centerbore holes drilled to 66mm. Lug holes drilled to 14mm. Longer lugs in front, longer studs in rear." |
Jake,
That made me laugh. You hit it on the head. I am the B type and I feel the pain you described. total waste of time and money. Plus you'll end up dreaming at night of the perfect wheel combo you will start to think everyone in right... Your are a nut, a vanagon nut! It hurts to admit that. But then again acceptance is one of the first steps to treatment.
Frank
audi 8 spokes Et 45, center bore needed machining, and spacers lugs etc. over $250 WTF!
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ersonality B:
You'll see Option 2 out there and know that it's there for the taking, but you're stubborn and a bit prideful. You won't want your days of red-eyed research to be for naught. You'll stick with Option 1 and fight tooth and nail until you get the very specific tires you want on the very specific rims you want. It might take massive shipping costs. It could require the extreme modifications mentioned above, along with a nice sprinkling of blood, sweat, and tears. None of this matters. You will not be thwarted in the quest for your own singular version of Vanagon Wheels and Tires. They will be a badge of honor upon your Vanagon. Sure, that guy over there withn the cherry '87 Weekender has awesome Mefro Steelies and Nokians and they look great, fit perfectly, and do everything they're supposed to, but did he suffer for them the way you did for yours? Hell no.
You will leave a trail of destroyed friendships in your wake. Your family will consider an intervention. But it won't matter, none of it will matter, because regardless of what they think, they'll never have the ability to see an Audi A6 rolling down the street and think to themselves:
"5x112 15x7.5 ET45, 57MM centerbore, 12mm lug holes. 15mm spacers front. Centerbore holes drilled to 66mm. Lug holes drilled to 14mm. Longer lugs in front, longer studs in rear." |
Jake,
That made me laugh. You hit it on the head. I am the B type and I feel the pain you described. total waste of time and money. Plus you'll end up dreaming at night of the perfect wheel combo you will start to think everyone in right... Your are a nut, a vanagon nut! It hurts to admit that. But then again acceptance is one of the first steps to treatment.
Frank
audi 8 spokes Et 45, center bore needed machining, and spacers lugs etc. over $250 WTF!
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Credit goes to Joe T. for this insightful essay!
- '84 with 15 x 6.5 Mercedes Benz alloys w 205/65-15 Yokies - remove hardened insert and re-drill to 14mm, special nuts in rear, special bolts in front
- '86 with 16 x 7 Mercedes Benz steelies w 225/55-16 Contis - bolt-on - fronts need spacers to clear VC Big Brakes. Should have different ball seat nuts...
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Or always keep an eye out at the U-pull-it yard for Merkur Scorpios, which you KNOW are nonexistent, but which came with extremely unique 5x112 wheels that could...maybe...fit....
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dawna82
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Thanks for giving it to me straight  .. exactly what i need |
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Yeah, that hits pretty close to home.
I am also Type B. I will stick to my DIY insticts even if it costs me more money. I was raised this way. I honestly don't really know how to hire people to do things.
MBZ S500 wheels, 16x7.5, ET46. 16mm spacers in the front and 11mm in the rear. Front stud conversion kit and long Porche studs for the back.
Then, I upgraded the brakes so it all changed again.
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