Tesla New cars……. Old batteries

[djkeev]

I just read a blurb about Tesla selling new 2021 demo vehicles but they have 2017 batteries in them.

Because of the batteries age they put in this disclaimer…….

“This vehicle was built with a battery pack manufactured as early as 2017. While this pack was brand new when the vehicle was built, the cells have reduced capacity due to their age and you can expect up to 12% reduction in range from current production specifications.”

Anyway, what I find interesting isn't these particular cars being sold but the fact that current electric cars will progressively go shorter and shorter distances as they age!

Just like your aging cell phone will no longer make it through a full day of use.

You may no longer make it to work and home in your not new electric vehicle without stopping for a charge along the way.

Dave
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[Q-Dog]

So they will get 300 miles per charge instead of 350 miles per charge? Your 300+ miles per day commute must be a lot of fun.
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[Mickey bitsko]

Well now, this is an interesting topic.
I've not searched yet, but curious to see the life expectancy
In terms of miles or years the batteries and the electric motors.
Today's technology and longevity of ice's are pretty impressive with proper maintenance.
Technology in lubricants be it petroleum or synthetic industry have come a long way
in the last 20+years have helped to make that possible..imo
As for the EV batteries, do the different battery manufacturers rate their
battery longevity based on years, duty cycles ? Ice's give for the most part give
100% with good maintenance until a moving part fails then replace parts
and move on.
It appears to this old guy that they better keep some sort of ice as a failsafe
Mechanism at least for the short term.
Good morning Ya'll..

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[Zundfolge1432]

Batteries in a Prius I had were still working fine @ 300k. The entire pack is available from multiple sources from 5 to 800 dollars used. I’m seeing lots more Tesla cars on the road, maybe the real problem is battery disposal when they are completely spent. I propose low level dumping off the back of a C130 over North Korea.

[Q-Dog]

[kingkarmann]

Within the next few years I expect Discount Tire or some place similar will figure out how to do battery swaps as easily as our air cooled flat 4's.
Maybe set up something similar to propane cylinder exchanges.

[skills@eurocarsplus]

bwahahahahaha

https://electrek.co/2021/12/23/tesla-owner-blows-up-model-s-dynamite-battery-replacement/
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[Glenn]

My 4 year old cell phone still has over 50% battery left after a days use.

But the battery in my wife's 3.5 year old Subaru suddenly died.

So i guess it's just a crap shoot.
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[Q-Dog]

[skills@eurocarsplus]

[Cusser]

Mot batteries sold in USA are manufactured by one company: Johnson Controls/Clarios. This includes Interstate, Autozone, Walmart O'Reilly, Costco....
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[Zundfolge1432]

So people know going into this that batteries don’t last forever, why is anyone bitching about that ? The example of blowing up a car because you cannot fix is irrational move by a rich prick to garner attention. A publicity stunt or maybe just clickbait BS. The first clue is asking Tesla for help, did he try the breakers ?

All that aside when economies of scale take over cost will come down. As for lead acid batteries I replace them all working or not at 60 months. 😂

[finster]

quote Q dog - "Yes they will lose capacity with age and use."

that's true of people too in my experience
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[Mickey bitsko]

finster, now that hurts 😢

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[janerick3]

There are three suppliers of lead-acid batteries in the U.S.:

- Johnson Controls - I believe most of their manufacturing has been moved to Mexico...

- Exide - Not sure if they manufacture batteries any more for the North American market--their website suggests the name has been licensed to Battery Systems, who is a distributor, not a manufacturer

- East Penn - They list the Group 19L, 6V battery in their catalog under part numbers 319L and 901MF (commercial), under their Deka brand. They appear to be the only truly domestic manufacturer, as they are privately-owned.
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