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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

To be more accurate, the term WEEKENDER is used once with the word PACKAGE following it and then again without it, just THE WEEKENDER in possessive form.

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dhaavers wrote:
FIFY:

djkeev wrote:
…the term WEEKENDER PACKAGE is used repeatedly for a GL Tintop.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

FIFY:

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…the term WEEKENDER PACKAGE is used repeatedly for a GL Tintop.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

crazyvwvanman wrote:
VW used the term "weekender" for tintops longer than that.

Here is an old Vanagon promotional video from VW that talks about it.
Skip to about 5:20 in to see VW calling a tiptop WEEKENDER and showing how to fold out the bed.


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So for 1 year VW dubbed it Weekender and then realized that it interfered with a model actually called a weekender. Usually thinks morph into which ever is greater or stood the test of time.

So that would mean that any passenger van that the rear seat folds out is a Weekender?

Then what do we call a Carat, we all know a Carat has a folding bed and calling it a Weekender is a down grade.

I don't think it's Semantics at all.

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Love how in the performance section the Vanagon passes a Porsche on the highway!
But yes, the term Weekender is used repeatedly for a GL Tintop.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

VW used the term "weekender" for tintops longer than that.

Here is an old Vanagon promotional video from VW that talks about it.
Skip to about 5:20 in to see VW calling a tiptop WEEKENDER and showing how to fold out the bed.


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16CVs wrote:
So for 1 year VW dubbed it Weekender and then realized that it interfered with a model actually called a weekender. Usually thinks morph into which ever is greater or stood the test of time.

So that would mean that any passenger van that the rear seat folds out is a Weekender?

Then what do we call a Carat, we all know a Carat has a folding bed and calling it a Weekender is a down grade.

I don't think it's Semantics at all.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

I am just trying to make the point that there needs to be some commonly understood descriptive to separate out the difference between a Carat -- A passenger van with a pull out bed and a pop top van with no kitchen.

Right now the term Weekender is being used for any thing with a bed. So if someone new came along and wanted a Weekender and bought it just off the word Weekender they could end up with an Passenger van.

I feel like a lone wolf here, but will continue to try and make my point.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

Thanks Jim for all the work putting the Vanagons.org site together!

However, your Custom Vanagon fun page needs to be divided into a "wall of shame" and "really nice custom Vanagons" Wink

It would also be really great if you could somehow salvage the tech articles from the old Syncro.org site on thewaybackmachine before it all disappears.

Here's a pic of a stock 1990 Vanagon GL Camper Syncro (except the tinted windows, the white VW emblem, and the POs plates of course). It doesn't look like this now!
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And its Birth Certificate.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

I created this website to answer these sorts of questions.

www.Vanagons.org

For USA models, it covers all 12 years of Vanagons from 1980 to 1991 and has a description of each model for every year. Includes standard equipment lists, options, and price information where available. Each year's main page has a scanned brochure and some have additional brochures also.

Most years pages also include scans of some window stickers, which I've taken to be the most definitive source of information. Brochures track pretty closely with what was built, but window stickers have the most accurate info.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

TownesVanZandt wrote:
Anybody have an insight on what the T stands for?


Nope, but it still bothers me to think that I can't find my copy of Rear View Mirror Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

I've got a VIN question as well. Mine starts out WV2T. GoWesty's VIN decoder does not list "T" in "Vehicle Series" categories. Anybody have an insight on what the T stands for?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

The tailpipe is on the wrong side too - so reversed image.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

I,m sorry if this has been covered in the post , but am I looking at a right hand drive , a double slider or a reversed image ?
Nice vanagon anyway you slice it .
The gas cap is on the left ...??? gotta be reversed image
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

To post an image try this:

Click on the 'img' box
paste the url
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Do not add spaces or any other characters.

When I do that I get this as the result. YMMV.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazyvwvanman wrote:
Yes that 84 hardtop Wolfy was pretty special. First vans to get power steering and tachs, also rear hatch window "jail bars". Some of them had the full size sliding sunroof. I see them come up for sale every now and then, always a little too thrashed for me.

That brochure photo shows a nice blue 84 but not a Wolfy.

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Correct. Here's a pic of the actual Wolfsburg Edition like I had:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that 84 hardtop Wolfy was pretty special. First vans to get power steering and tachs, also rear hatch window "jail bars". Some of them had the full size sliding sunroof. I see them come up for sale every now and then, always a little too thrashed for me.

That brochure photo shows a nice blue 84 but not a Wolfy.

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The Weekender package was first introduced with the 1984 Wolfsburg Special Edition. I bought one new. It was a tintop that came with the convertible rear seatbed, a standard 2-place center seat (no folding table like later Weekenders), sliding windows with screens and snap-in curtains. The upholstery was blue corduroy and vinyl, and the paint was only available in two colors -- either a dark navy blue, or a slightly lighter blue metallic .....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Which model Vanagon do I have? Reply with quote

Interesting...I try to learn something every day, and today you're it! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhaavers wrote:
OK - here we go:

Problem is, WE'RE probably the ones using the term weekender incorrectly (even me)...the hardtops you can sleep in were the first true weekenders, starting in 1985.

READ ON:

WEEKENDER
VW first offers the "Weekender Package" in 1985, ONLY for hardtops:
"Folding rear bench seat with storage compartment, engine compartment cushion and center seat with folding backrest"
Options from 1985 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/85vanagon/page11.jpg

Described slightly different in 1986: "folding bed, engine compartment cushion - cloth only" - again ONLY as an option on hardtop models.
I haven't scanned in my 1986 brochure, but here are the identical options listed in 1987 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1987_00_vanagon/Seite13.jpg

POPTOP
Before 1986 there was only one camper model; "Camper"
- what we now often call a "Full Westy" w/poptop bed, sink, stove, fridge & cabinets.

Starting in 1986, this was model was renamed the "Camper GL"
- same features as the previous "Camper".

In 1986 the "Camper" model became what now is sometimes incorrectly called a "weekender":
- that is, poptop bed, built-in closet & overhead storage, fluorescent interior light, curtains, hatch door screen & skylight...PLUS...
2nd battery, "jump" seat behind driver's seat, 110/12-volt "icebox", folding side table, 3-across folding bench seat & (OMG) THREE built in cup holders!


Who knows where this incongruity crept in...I blame GoWesty!

This article attempts to explain it, but glosses over many important differences from year to year and even uses the term "Weekender" (incorrectly) to describe the base model Camper...
http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1138

I know after I read that several years ago, I started looking for a poptop "weekender"...

Or maybe I'm confused again...??? Wink


The Weekender package was first introduced with the 1984 Wolfsburg Special Edition. I bought one new. It was a tintop that came with the convertible rear seatbed, a standard 2-place center seat (no folding table like later Weekenders), sliding windows with screens and snap-in curtains. The upholstery was blue corduroy and vinyl, and the paint was only available in two colors -- either a dark navy blue, or a slightly lighter blue metallic (which mine was, and as shown on the brochure below). The indentation on the sides of the body had a matte silver decal that ran from the front doors down each side and across the back. The same blue corduroy interior cloth was used with either color paint. I never saw that ribbed corduroy material used on another VW.

[img] http://www.a2resource.com/brochures/1984/vanagonbroc/photos/back.jpg[/img]

There was also an 1984 Wolfsburg Edition Westy, only available in the two tone beige/dark brown combo. I really don't know much more about it.

I traded in my 69 Westy on the Weekender, and didn't pay much attention to the new 84 Westy since I couldn't afford one at that time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank a lot Jake. Ive always found it interesting to try to figure out the different models, and why and when VW did the different changes.

My Caravelle Coach has the grey "Gitterpunkt velour" like in a Vanagon Multivan, only with a dealer installed rear seat, like this:

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I have always fancied the Multivan/Carat interior, having it in my syncro, and I guess I must try to track down the rear seat of a Vanagon Multivan now in order to get matching seats. Not an easy task Im afraid.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straight from the Samba 1990 archives: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1990_vanagon.php

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an 88 VW issue sales VHS tape, and the word "weekender" doesn't even get mentioned.

GL, Carat, Westfalia is it--

Talk about misguiding info all over the place.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OddN wrote:
I am still a little confused about these North American Multivan models.

More specific about the difference between a Carat and a Vanagon Multivan, especially when it comes to seat fabric.

Am I correct in the following assumptions conserning Carat and Multivan:

Both had the table and two rear facing detachable jump seats.

All Carats were tin tops

All Carats had grey single colored seats with grey piping

No Carat had rear cupboard nor overhead locker


All Vanagon Multivans were pop tops

All Vanagon Multivans had rear cupboard and overhead locker/AC unit

All Vanagon Multivan had grey seats with black dots and black piping (Gitterpunkt velour in German)


Yes, you have the van models correctly understood.
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