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Hokie87
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I took off my front tires this weekend to lube the front end and noticed brake fluid on the inside of the right front tire. Everything looked fine, then I remembered this thread. I found the exact same problem.
The PO ran the line incorrectly. It runs inside the spring and is not held by the clip (arrow).
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Who.Me?
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| What is the exact length of a straight piece of hard line before bending for this area? |
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Hi
Are the bridging line lengths inside the front drums the same for all years' brakes?
I've ordered a kit of Cunifer lines this afternoon from CSP in Germany for a '67 bus with dual circuit brakes. I checked with them before ordering, and they said that their kit includes two 240mm lines for this purpose.
My truck is a '56 but I'm converting to dual circuit brakes at the same time, hence why I've ordered a set of '67 lines.
Which is the correct length? 240mm or 370mm?
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otis_bartleh
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Definitely a good warning. When replacing the braking system on my bus, the old line on the drivers side was a replacement and poorly bent, and was ready to fail also. I just bent mine by hand as well.
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| The earlier pics are early wheel cylinders 63 down I believe and the last pic of blue bus is 64 and up? |
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Culito
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Here is the disturbing thing. This is the line that almost failed. It appears to have a "factory" bend and it's the original style zinc plated line.
Compare it to the ones Hazetguy posted.
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here is one i did, next to a factory original line:
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Two different types of wheel cylinders...
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Snoop Bob
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LHG wrote: |
Here is the disturbing thing. This is the line that almost failed. It appears to have a "factory" bend and it's the original style zinc plated line.
Compare it to the ones Hazetguy posted.
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here is one i did, next to a factory original line:
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Although similar, when looked at in the context of being inside a brake drum assembly with associated hardware, that appearance becomes drastically different.
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chrisflstf
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| I think the inside hub area of some drums, varies in diameter. Its not a machined surface. There isnt alot of room for error either |
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LHG
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Here is the disturbing thing. This is the line that almost failed. It appears to have a "factory" bend and it's the original style zinc plated line.
Compare it to the ones Hazetguy posted.
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here is one i did, next to a factory original line:
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cdennisg
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| What is the exact length of a straight piece of hard line before bending for this area? |
370mm |
Thank you.
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guatebus
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| What is the exact length of a straight piece of hard line before bending for this area? |
370mm
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hazetguy
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Just curious if you did all those bends without any sort of tool at all?
If not, what sort of "tools" did you use? |
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| I use a piece of pipe with a 1" diameter to set the radius on my bends. |
i used similar things. smaller diameter round stock (sockets) for the tighter bends, round stock and/or bare hands for the more gradual bends. the key is to go slowly and not crush the tubing.
also, the tubing work hardens when bent, so i try to bend to the "just before it's right" angle and make minor adjustments as necessary. it's really difficult to fix a mess up and the chances of the tubing cracking or breaking increase if you try to straighten out an error.
in the past i have only used the WW kits, and perhaps a kit from Ronnie. the front brake lines were the proper length. |
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tyzel
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| Are the ones from wolfs west (WW) pre-bent? |
Everything you buy is straight. It's not hard to bend them, you just have to follow the correct path. |
That's what I thought, thanks!
and glad you caught that before it turned into a bad situation. |
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| Are the ones from wolfs west (WW) pre-bent? |
Everything you buy is straight. It's not hard to bend them, you just have to follow the correct path.
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tyzel
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| I use a piece of pipe with a 1" diameter to set the radius on my bends. |
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Culito
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When I re-did the brakes getting my SC running, I bought a kit (CIP1, maybe?) that had all the lines in it.
The lines between the wheel cylinders were too short, so they didn't clear everything. As soon as I torqued the bearings down and spun the drum, I knew something wasn't right.
I had to order those two lines from WW.
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that line blew for the same reason on my first long trip on my bus. happened to be right next to a cop. she saw the whole thing. i went up and over the curb into an empty parking lot. smashed my brand new muffler.
she came over and asked what happened. i was like i have no idea. they just went out. everything was new. soft lines, hard lines, all new wheel cylinders, pads. i had no idea it was rubbing.
got a ticket for unable to stop in a sure safe distance. 2 points on my license. i went to fight it and because i had done the work and it was an old bus they didnt care it was because of a hole in my brake line. even though i missed everything and everyone. |
And your emergency brake was... non-functional?
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What is the exact length of a straight piece of hard line before bending for this area?
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