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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

JAL78 wrote:
It would be interesting to know what special configuration code D21 is which is stated that it "cannot be identified".

Yes, that would help.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

It would be interesting to know what special configuration code D21 is which is stated that it "cannot be identified".
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

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It would be very interesting to see a birth certificate for a sport model. No one has posted information concerning a birth certificate. I've read stories that the sport model was a product of Volkswagen America and it wasn't approved by Wolfsburg. I don't know if this true or not. So why has no one presented a birth certificate? That should prove if VW in Germany was aware and authorized the package. As to the window sticker, I don't know if VW America was responsible for printing them and perhaps VW in Germany did not supply these???? It would be nice to hear from someone who has a birth certificate for a sport mode.


Here you are: This is the Birth Certificate that I had acquired for my 1973 Sport Ghia Convertible. Note that the Sport wheels are listed which I believe was never an option offered on any Karmann Ghia from the factory. I just noticed that Karmann is spelled incorrectly on the certificate…..whats up with that?


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Interesting. So at least the wheels were from the factory. Still a mystery that the different steering wheel and the stripes are not mentioned, nor the designation as a "Sport" ?

The type numbers are interesting as well. The window stickers posted in this thread, for both 73 coupe and 73 cabriolet, say Type 1471. But the birth certificate lists the type number as "141041" ?? Very confusing?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

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It would be very interesting to see a birth certificate for a sport model. No one has posted information concerning a birth certificate. I've read stories that the sport model was a product of Volkswagen America and it wasn't approved by Wolfsburg. I don't know if this true or not. So why has no one presented a birth certificate? That should prove if VW in Germany was aware and authorized the package. As to the window sticker, I don't know if VW America was responsible for printing them and perhaps VW in Germany did not supply these???? It would be nice to hear from someone who has a birth certificate for a sport mode.


Here you are: This is the Birth Certificate that I had acquired for my 1973 Sport Ghia Convertible. Note that the Sport wheels are listed which I believe was never an option offered on any Karmann Ghia from the factory. I just noticed that Karmann is spelled incorrectly on the certificate…..whats up with that?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

I think there were a couple birth certificates posted this thread somewhere with a code that was labeled as being 'unknown' or something.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

It would be very interesting to see a birth certificate for a sport model. No one has posted information concerning a birth certificate. I've read stories that the sport model was a product of Volkswagen America and it wasn't approved by Wolfsburg. I don't know if this true or not. So why has no one presented a birth certificate? That should prove if VW in Germany was aware and authorized the package. As to the window sticker, I don't know if VW America was responsible for printing them and perhaps VW in Germany did not supply these???? It would be nice to hear from someone who has a birth certificate for a sport mode.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

QBandE wrote:
Hey guys!

Seems like i accidentally bought one of these. I had never heard of this edition before and the one i have has been repainted silver, but they left the decals and painted around them.

Owners manual matches with manufacture month, VIN, and the model # written in the manual.

Looks like the steering wheel was replaced at some point but otherwise looks like it might be legit.

EDIT: also, it seems like the cabrios have a rounded corner on the decal and the coupe has a sharp point at the corner. Is this part of the 'thin' and 'thick' difference?


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Hello, Acquiring a Sport Ghia and especially a convertible is an added bonus. If you want to confirm that you have an authentic Sport Edition Ghia I would recommend that you order the “Birth Certificate” from Volkswagen Classic Parts. If your Ghia is a real Sport Ghia the birth certificate will indicate that the wheels are the Sport wheels, “M976 5 Sport rims “ and were included from the factory as an added Special configuration accessary.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

Hey guys!

Seems like i accidentally bought one of these. I had never heard of this edition before and the one i have has been repainted silver, but they left the decals and painted around them.

Owners manual matches with manufacture month, VIN, and the model # written in the manual.

Looks like the steering wheel was replaced at some point but otherwise looks like it might be legit.

EDIT: also, it seems like the cabrios have a rounded corner on the decal and the coupe has a sharp point at the corner. Is this part of the 'thin' and 'thick' difference?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

Hard to tell from the photos but it does look like it was a sport Ghia. The only remaining part though is the steering wheel. Does it have the sport wheels? Where is the car located? How bad is the rust? Any body damage?
Unfortunately, since it has been painted and the sport stripes are gone it might not be worth much more than a typical Ghia in that shape. So depending on the location I would think it would be worth $2-4000k from what can be seen in the pictures.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

Hello, I’ve stumbled across a KG that I believe to be a sport. I’ll attach photos. Body is rough but runs and drives so nice. What would be a fair asking price? I bought it to cut the roof off but if it’s a rare one I hate to do that to this one.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

BUCIOBATISTI wrote:
Hello Everyone! We currently have this very nice survivor 1973 Sport Ghia available. It's already accounted for on this list as well. Thanks!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2609173


Thanks for listing your original73 Sport Ghia. Finally a Sport Ghia is up for sale! This should be interesting to see what the interest is. Most people are unaware of the rarity of these.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

Hello Everyone! We currently have this very nice survivor 1973 Sport Ghia available. It's already accounted for on this list as well. Thanks!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2609173
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

A photo of the dealer window stickers is in kingkarmann's post above: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9800640#9800640
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

JAL78 wrote:
I bought my Saturn Yellow convertible Sport Ghia from the original owner and they claimed that it is truly a Sport Ghia. They did not not have the original dealer window sticker to confirm its authenticity. The only documentation that I have is on the Birth Certificate that I had purchased from"Classic Volkswagen Parts" in Germany. It indicated that my car was equipped from the factory with the "Sport rims" code #M976 which to my knowledge was never offered as an accessory on standard production type Karmann Ghia's.


How does the dealer sticker look like? I’ve seen it being mentioned a couple of times on this topic but I didn’t saw a photo of it.
Anybody has it? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

I bought my Saturn Yellow convertible Sport Ghia from the original owner and they claimed that it is truly a Sport Ghia. They did not not have the original dealer window sticker to confirm its authenticity. The only documentation that I have is on the Birth Certificate that I had purchased from"Classic Volkswagen Parts" in Germany. It indicated that my car was equipped from the factory with the "Sport rims" code #M976 which to my knowledge was never offered as an accessory on standard production type Karmann Ghia's.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

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How about this one? I think it also looks cool in orange Cool
It has the striping, the US bumpers and steeringwheel. So its an original orange sport ghia? Cool

https://www.aircooledclassics.be/kg8

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Very interesting! This is a first, Orange Sport Edition? If it was a 73 Sport it would also have the sport rims. I noticed that the spare tire rim is not a Sport rim. Original owner could confirm its authenticity with original dealer window sticker.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

How about this one? I think it also looks cool in orange Cool
It has the striping, the US bumpers and steeringwheel. So its an original orange sport ghia? Cool

https://www.aircooledclassics.be/kg8

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

BigBill, You probably had a Beetle with some Forumla Vee accessories. I don't think VW offered those wheels that early. Perhaps they were from a Porsche 914? I am not sure as to the first year Porsche offered them, but they were on many 914s. I think the price you recall is a bit on the low side for a new car...a base Beetle was about $1800 by then and in 1970 they were still selling as many as they could get in the USA, so probably not much discounting!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

I just re-read this thread.
Someone posted up an original Sport Ghia window sticker.
Based on the option package listed I would say it was most likely done at the factory.
In my experience in auto manufacturing "special editions were done in groups of a certain number each day until the total production number was satisfied.
It would be very interesting to know exactly how many were made it total.
I don't believe the VIN can tell you much without the birth certificate.
Does a 1500 sound plausible? Purely a guess.

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Decided to try a google search and found another copy of a window sticker
1973 convertible delivered to California.

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Both VIN#'s begin with 143262----
Maybe that's a clue?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Research on Sport Ghia (Special edition from 1973) Reply with quote

Interesting thread I never knew VW offered a Sport Ghia. My wife and I were married in 1970, well we needed a car for her and decided on a beetle and bought a new one off of a local dealers show room floor. I cant remember if it was a 70 or a 71 but it had the rims like the Sport Ghias, a double pinstripe along the bottom of the doors with a VW logo in the stripe itself, a different shift lever that I had never seen before and a wood type steering wheel, and a different exhaust that didnt have the two peashooters. Sadly no pictures of this car, I have often wondered if it was done by the dealer or Factory. I have never seen another like it, it was under $1300 out the door Smile
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