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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

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Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets?


for 3rd/4th gears?

I used 002 gearsets
yes 3-4 but they do have to be modified to fit? and are 002 gear fine or course tooth.


Coarse tooth hence the change.

Yes I also TIG welded them
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

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bigwormskidoo wrote:
Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets?


for 3rd/4th gears?

I used 002 gearsets
yes 3-4 but they do have to be modified to fit? and are 002 gear fine or course tooth.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

bigwormskidoo wrote:
Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets?


for 3rd/4th gears?

I used 002 gearsets
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
When you pressed on the 3-4 hub with slider, you pressed it on too far. If you measure your endplay on 3rd gear, it won't be enough. VW says 3rd gear endplay needs to be .10-.25mm.


Great, thanks for that. I'll check it out!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

I was always surprised how much abuse a stk swingaxle could take ,in the good old days we plain abused the hell out of those poor things in every form possible on the dirt and street and they still just kept going .
it was not until we started dropped the hammer at the track things broke .and it seamed to always be the ring and pinion as most common failure.
all the other mods in the world really did not make much difference .
when we started just slipped the hell out of the clutch before dumping it or made our own arm dampers failures dropped .
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

When you pressed on the 3-4 hub with slider, you pressed it on too far. If you measure your endplay on 3rd gear, it won't be enough. VW says 3rd gear endplay needs to be .10-.25mm.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

I'm rebuilding a stock late style transmission with the splined main shaft. When I assemble the mainshaft i'm getting way too much clearance at the 4th gear thrust washer, 0.50mm. I've tried a few different combinations of 3-4 slider hubs and different 4th gears in case one of those parts was wrong but getting same clearance everytime. Can see with your eye that the 4th gear bearing race journal on the shaft is sitting noticeably proud of 4th gear.

Have never had this issue before, if anything the clearance is too tight and a light linish on the gear is needed to get it to the 0.10 - 0.25 mm range.

I'm stumped on this one, can anyone shed some light on what the issue might be and what I could do to resolve?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

Great post here, really helpful inputs from all

Do you have a list of parts that are needed from Weddle as finding it difficult to work out what is needed exactly so i can mail order them without any problems

Im looking at a master rebuild kit from Rancho and the rest from Weddle for a comprehensive rebuild to a stronger transaxle

Would be great to see a parts list needed to complete a really solid build using the ideas here. I only started to look as i picked up a Bugpack Super Diff for my swing axle and thought i could do more...down the rabbit hole i go!
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2024 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

“B e careful swapping the 3.88 r/p. Sure that will drop your rpm but also decrease the hp at the wheel by 11%.”.

Why?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2024 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

Millionmph wrote:
This is real good stuff, i just finished my new motor and the gearbox in the car has a bad 3rd synchro and someone i think swapped 4.375 into it (early IRS) and it revs like 3200 at 60 with a 205 65 15; I just scored a late single cover IRS with 3.88s in it and this is going to help address any concerns that that one might have; Question for OP though, what is the difference in an IRS ring/pinion setup compared to the swingaxle fixes you did? ie the spider gears, is there such a thing as 15 and 10 spiders for an IRS??? or are we stuck with 11 tooth spiders? Can older spiders be made to work or are they a different creature?


Hi, yes all later Singel Side Cover IRS gearbox have a the stronger 10/15 teeth. I've been running that in my german t4 superbeetle, even made a few single wheel burnout. spider gears are identical to swingaxle.

be careful swapping the 3.88 r/p. Sure that will drop your rpm but also decrease the hp at the wheel by 11%.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

This is real good stuff, i just finished my new motor and the gearbox in the car has a bad 3rd synchro and someone i think swapped 4.375 into it (early IRS) and it revs like 3200 at 60 with a 205 65 15; I just scored a late single cover IRS with 3.88s in it and this is going to help address any concerns that that one might have; Question for OP though, what is the difference in an IRS ring/pinion setup compared to the swingaxle fixes you did? ie the spider gears, is there such a thing as 15 and 10 spiders for an IRS??? or are we stuck with 11 tooth spiders? Can older spiders be made to work or are they a different creature?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

StockNazi wrote:
I've got a few questions about using a Type 1 or Type 3 IRS transmission to build for a split window bus (61-67 tunnel mount unit). This thread seemed like a good place to ask.

No lowering, stock height with reduction boxes.


I've got a few transmissions that I may decide to use as a core to rebuild for this bus.
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Type 3 IRS
Type 1 IRS
Type 3 swing axle

Are any of these units good to use as a base for a stock height bus?


There are many variables to your equation. You need to define what your wanting gear ratio wise with the reduction boxes for your Bus, and what years the Type 1-3 transaxles are from.

The early Bus transaxles had 1-4 ratios of 3.80/2.06/1.22/.82, 4.12 r&p with 1.39 reduction boxes. The later had 3.80/2.06/1.26/.82, 4.37 r&p with a 1.26 reduction box. All of the pre-68 Bus transaxles used thicker coarse tooth gears. The early 4.12 pinion shafts used the securing nut on the end with a keyed 4th, while the later 4.37 ones used a circle clip and a splined 4th.

Your Type 3 transaxles will have 4.12 r&p’s, and most commonly 3.80/2.06/1.26/.89 gear sets. The earlier used 1.32 3rds. I haven’t taken apart that many type 3 specific transaxles, but all I’ve seen had a 3.80 1st with the coarse tooth 3-4 gear sets. Pretty sure the late ones never got 3.78 1st’s, or the fine tooth gears. Early pinion shafts will have a keyed 4th, while later will be splined.

The Type 1 trans is most commonly a 4.12 keyed/splined r&p or a splined 3.88 r&p. The early cases were numbered, but the later 4.12’s had an AH prefix, and the 3.88’s an AT. The other less common ones would have an AV for a 4.12, or an AM for a 4.37. It could have coarse, or fine tooth gears with a 3.80, or 3.78 1st with an .89, or .93 4th.

See what you can find out with the serial numbers from the cores. You can look through the oil filler hole to see if the 3rd gear has coarse, or fine teeth.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

I've got a few questions about using a Type 1 or Type 3 IRS transmission to build for a split window bus (61-67 tunnel mount unit). This thread seemed like a good place to ask.

No lowering, stock height with reduction boxes.


I've got a few transmissions that I may decide to use as a core to rebuild for this bus.
I have:

Type 3 IRS
Type 1 IRS
Type 3 swing axle

Are any of these units good to use as a base for a stock height bus?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

Thank you very much, put just how I can understand it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

How long is a fish?

I’d say a transaxle built like shown here could pretty much handle anything you could throw at it if you’re running street radials.

If you’ve got slicks and are hitting the water box and doing a burnout at the strip,
Then you might be pushing your luck.

Or if you’re on the throttle bouncing off the rev limiter while airborne in a desert car..
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

So any idea what kind of launching punishment could this handle?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

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What kind of power numbers should this be able to handle? I'm not sure what exactly I want to build yet but I know it will be close to 2.0L and turbo charged. Is this something that would be worth my time or should I just but another unit?


It's more to do with the severity of your launches that will break any "built gearbox" as opposed to how much HP you are producing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts Reply with quote

What kind of power numbers should this be able to handle? I'm not sure what exactly I want to build yet but I know it will be close to 2.0L and turbo charged. Is this something that would be worth my time or should I just but another unit?
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