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benozoval56 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| bigwormskidoo wrote: |
| benozoval56 wrote: |
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| Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets? |
for 3rd/4th gears?
I used 002 gearsets |
yes 3-4 but they do have to be modified to fit? and are 002 gear fine or course tooth. |
Coarse tooth hence the change.
Yes I also TIG welded them |
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bigwormskidoo Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Highland MI
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| benozoval56 wrote: |
| bigwormskidoo wrote: |
| Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets? |
for 3rd/4th gears?
I used 002 gearsets |
yes 3-4 but they do have to be modified to fit? and are 002 gear fine or course tooth. |
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benozoval56 Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2022 Posts: 30 Location: Seacombe Gardens
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| bigwormskidoo wrote: |
| Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets? |
for 3rd/4th gears?
I used 002 gearsets |
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bigwormskidoo Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2025 Posts: 6 Location: Highland MI
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2025 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| Is there a direct install coarse tooth synchro hub and gear sets? |
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vincenzolorenzo Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2025 Posts: 2 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| When you pressed on the 3-4 hub with slider, you pressed it on too far. If you measure your endplay on 3rd gear, it won't be enough. VW says 3rd gear endplay needs to be .10-.25mm. |
Great, thanks for that. I'll check it out! |
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jim martin Samba Member

Joined: January 14, 2004 Posts: 409 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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I was always surprised how much abuse a stk swingaxle could take ,in the good old days we plain abused the hell out of those poor things in every form possible on the dirt and street and they still just kept going .
it was not until we started dropped the hammer at the track things broke .and it seamed to always be the ring and pinion as most common failure.
all the other mods in the world really did not make much difference .
when we started just slipped the hell out of the clutch before dumping it or made our own arm dampers failures dropped . _________________ B.C's fastest street legal vw , June 2006 Hot VW's feature car 9.81 sec at 145.26mph.
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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When you pressed on the 3-4 hub with slider, you pressed it on too far. If you measure your endplay on 3rd gear, it won't be enough. VW says 3rd gear endplay needs to be .10-.25mm. _________________
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vincenzolorenzo Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2025 Posts: 2 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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I'm rebuilding a stock late style transmission with the splined main shaft. When I assemble the mainshaft i'm getting way too much clearance at the 4th gear thrust washer, 0.50mm. I've tried a few different combinations of 3-4 slider hubs and different 4th gears in case one of those parts was wrong but getting same clearance everytime. Can see with your eye that the 4th gear bearing race journal on the shaft is sitting noticeably proud of 4th gear.
Have never had this issue before, if anything the clearance is too tight and a light linish on the gear is needed to get it to the 0.10 - 0.25 mm range.
I'm stumped on this one, can anyone shed some light on what the issue might be and what I could do to resolve?
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Arc Eye Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2019 Posts: 2 Location: South Yorkshire
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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Great post here, really helpful inputs from all
Do you have a list of parts that are needed from Weddle as finding it difficult to work out what is needed exactly so i can mail order them without any problems
Im looking at a master rebuild kit from Rancho and the rest from Weddle for a comprehensive rebuild to a stronger transaxle
Would be great to see a parts list needed to complete a really solid build using the ideas here. I only started to look as i picked up a Bugpack Super Diff for my swing axle and thought i could do more...down the rabbit hole i go! |
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rodgersbadassbus64 Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2009 Posts: 433 Location: Ortonville, Minnesota
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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“B e careful swapping the 3.88 r/p. Sure that will drop your rpm but also decrease the hp at the wheel by 11%.”.
Why? _________________ Like some other respectable members, "why buy what you can build" |
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ngobet Samba Member

Joined: September 04, 2007 Posts: 98 Location: Switzerland / California
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| Millionmph wrote: |
| This is real good stuff, i just finished my new motor and the gearbox in the car has a bad 3rd synchro and someone i think swapped 4.375 into it (early IRS) and it revs like 3200 at 60 with a 205 65 15; I just scored a late single cover IRS with 3.88s in it and this is going to help address any concerns that that one might have; Question for OP though, what is the difference in an IRS ring/pinion setup compared to the swingaxle fixes you did? ie the spider gears, is there such a thing as 15 and 10 spiders for an IRS??? or are we stuck with 11 tooth spiders? Can older spiders be made to work or are they a different creature? |
Hi, yes all later Singel Side Cover IRS gearbox have a the stronger 10/15 teeth. I've been running that in my german t4 superbeetle, even made a few single wheel burnout. spider gears are identical to swingaxle.
be careful swapping the 3.88 r/p. Sure that will drop your rpm but also decrease the hp at the wheel by 11%. |
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Millionmph Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| This is real good stuff, i just finished my new motor and the gearbox in the car has a bad 3rd synchro and someone i think swapped 4.375 into it (early IRS) and it revs like 3200 at 60 with a 205 65 15; I just scored a late single cover IRS with 3.88s in it and this is going to help address any concerns that that one might have; Question for OP though, what is the difference in an IRS ring/pinion setup compared to the swingaxle fixes you did? ie the spider gears, is there such a thing as 15 and 10 spiders for an IRS??? or are we stuck with 11 tooth spiders? Can older spiders be made to work or are they a different creature? |
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4876 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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I've got a few questions about using a Type 1 or Type 3 IRS transmission to build for a split window bus (61-67 tunnel mount unit). This thread seemed like a good place to ask.
No lowering, stock height with reduction boxes.
I've got a few transmissions that I may decide to use as a core to rebuild for this bus.
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Type 3 IRS
Type 1 IRS
Type 3 swing axle
Are any of these units good to use as a base for a stock height bus? |
There are many variables to your equation. You need to define what your wanting gear ratio wise with the reduction boxes for your Bus, and what years the Type 1-3 transaxles are from.
The early Bus transaxles had 1-4 ratios of 3.80/2.06/1.22/.82, 4.12 r&p with 1.39 reduction boxes. The later had 3.80/2.06/1.26/.82, 4.37 r&p with a 1.26 reduction box. All of the pre-68 Bus transaxles used thicker coarse tooth gears. The early 4.12 pinion shafts used the securing nut on the end with a keyed 4th, while the later 4.37 ones used a circle clip and a splined 4th.
Your Type 3 transaxles will have 4.12 r&p’s, and most commonly 3.80/2.06/1.26/.89 gear sets. The earlier used 1.32 3rds. I haven’t taken apart that many type 3 specific transaxles, but all I’ve seen had a 3.80 1st with the coarse tooth 3-4 gear sets. Pretty sure the late ones never got 3.78 1st’s, or the fine tooth gears. Early pinion shafts will have a keyed 4th, while later will be splined.
The Type 1 trans is most commonly a 4.12 keyed/splined r&p or a splined 3.88 r&p. The early cases were numbered, but the later 4.12’s had an AH prefix, and the 3.88’s an AT. The other less common ones would have an AV for a 4.12, or an AM for a 4.37. It could have coarse, or fine tooth gears with a 3.80, or 3.78 1st with an .89, or .93 4th.
See what you can find out with the serial numbers from the cores. You can look through the oil filler hole to see if the 3rd gear has coarse, or fine teeth. |
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Stocknazi Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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I've got a few questions about using a Type 1 or Type 3 IRS transmission to build for a split window bus (61-67 tunnel mount unit). This thread seemed like a good place to ask.
No lowering, stock height with reduction boxes.
I've got a few transmissions that I may decide to use as a core to rebuild for this bus.
I have:
Type 3 IRS
Type 1 IRS
Type 3 swing axle
Are any of these units good to use as a base for a stock height bus? _________________ WANTED:
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rustybug1990 Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2019 Posts: 56 Location: NC
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| Thank you very much, put just how I can understand it. |
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Clatter Samba Member

Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7876 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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How long is a fish?
I’d say a transaxle built like shown here could pretty much handle anything you could throw at it if you’re running street radials.
If you’ve got slicks and are hitting the water box and doing a burnout at the strip,
Then you might be pushing your luck.
Or if you’re on the throttle bouncing off the rev limiter while airborne in a desert car.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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There is no such thing as patina.
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rustybug1990 Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2019 Posts: 56 Location: NC
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| So any idea what kind of launching punishment could this handle? |
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benozoval56 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| What kind of power numbers should this be able to handle? I'm not sure what exactly I want to build yet but I know it will be close to 2.0L and turbo charged. Is this something that would be worth my time or should I just but another unit? |
It's more to do with the severity of your launches that will break any "built gearbox" as opposed to how much HP you are producing |
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rustybug1990 Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2019 Posts: 56 Location: NC
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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rustybug1990 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Building a strong gearbox with 95% OEM parts |
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| What kind of power numbers should this be able to handle? I'm not sure what exactly I want to build yet but I know it will be close to 2.0L and turbo charged. Is this something that would be worth my time or should I just but another unit? |
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