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Bobnotch
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 Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Thanks for all your help Bobnotch, I really appreciate it. Another total screw up is the DPO took the steering column apart and destroyed the turn signal switch and the ignition switch. Why!?
Anyways, I have the beetle to sort out. It appears something got in the oil gallery for the push rods, ran them out of oil and seized them in their bores. It was running so beautifully until it wasn't. But I have a spare motor so that is a couple of hours work to install and the beetle is back on the road.
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Yeah, no idea on why someone would take the steering column apart either, unless they were changing the ignition switch. I hate those early columns too, as I had to redo mine for my T-34. In my 65 Notch, I used a late model column head with the early tube and late column shaft (mixed and matched the pieces) to make everything work.
I find it's always handy to have a spare engine around. I learned that from the 90's when I was driving a beetle back and forth to work everyday. Since I sold my beetle, I keep a spare engine for my type 3 in the garage (converted 73 T-1 to T-3 with T-3 cooling tins).
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Thanks for all your help Bobnotch, I really appreciate it. Another total screw up is the DPO took the steering column apart and destroyed the turn signal switch and the ignition switch. Why!?
Anyways, I have the beetle to sort out. It appears something got in the oil gallery for the push rods, ran them out of oil and seized them in their bores. It was running so beautifully until it wasn't. But I have a spare motor so that is a couple of hours work to install and the beetle is back on the road.
Don
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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| Oh well, you wouldn't be the first to give up on a big project like this one was. |
It is not the size of the project that has me passing it on, I was expecting to put ~3 years into it, I have no problem with that. This one took me 2 years and nine months
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726892&highlight=
No it was the fight. I am sick of fighting with it. From discovering that the heater channels I got with the car were the wrong year to finding out the front suspension had been destroyed because the DPO had completely dismantled it and stuck it outside for years every damn thing is a fight. No, I don't want to fight with it anymore.
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I don't blame you on the "fighting" part. The PO didn't do you any favors either. When I did my 64 T-34, there were times I got upset, because I felt I was fighting myself. That car took me 3 years to do, mainly hunting down the T-34 only bits. It didn't help it sat outside for 20 years before Russ (the guy I got it from) bought it. Granted I'm okay with doing rust repair (I put the floor pans and front clip on it for Russ), and the floor pan being a type 3 (I have experience with it) made things go easier, it was the goofy stuff like pop out window latches, or the rear trunk latch lock, or the little odd ball stuff for the front trunk, or the head light stuff, or the fog light assemblies (ALL T-34 only) that made things more of a challenge. Granted I had the pan done quickly, and then spent almost a year solid on doing rust work, as that car unlike other VW's wasn't sealed to prevent rust, and there was a lot of it. When I finally got to the point of putting the interior together, the Sew Fine carpet was about 3 inches too short for the tunnel, the headliner was only available in one color (off white (tan?)) and the windlace strips weren't correct either. It was those little things that ticked me off. Then the door window seals wouldn't fit correctly, because they were for the later car, not the early ones. It just seemed like one nightmare after another, except it was happening in the day time.
I did a 73 Thing in less than 5 months that had been sitting for 20 years that was so much easier, even though it got painted inside and out. The hard part for that car, was the gas heater that I sent out for rebuilding, as I didn't know anything about them. With a little help from my son, we even replaced the vinyl top and assembled the side windows, and rebuilt the original engine. That was a fun project, as it went like it should, quick and easy.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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| Oh well, you wouldn't be the first to give up on a big project like this one was. |
It is not the size of the project that has me passing it on, I was expecting to put ~3 years into it, I have no problem with that. This one took me 2 years and nine months
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726892&highlight=
No it was the fight. I am sick of fighting with it. From discovering that the heater channels I got with the car were the wrong year to finding out the front suspension had been destroyed because the DPO had completely dismantled it and stuck it outside for years every damn thing is a fight. No, I don't want to fight with it anymore.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Today a couple of friends came by to help put the body on the pan so I decided to bolt the engine up to the transmission to reduce the cars footprint as much as possible
Body on chassis and car stuffed into corner
I will install the steering column and steering wheel and put the car up for sale. I am officially over fighting with it. It is very tempting to bolt the fenders on too.
Now I can swing the beetle around giving me lots of space to do the engine swap.
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It looks good with the body back on. It's a shame you're going to sell it off, especially with all of the time you've got into it. Oh well, you wouldn't be the first to give up on a big project like this one was.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Today a couple of friends came by to help put the body on the pan so I decided to bolt the engine up to the transmission to reduce the cars footprint as much as possible
Body on chassis and car stuffed into corner
I will install the steering column and steering wheel and put the car up for sale. I am officially over fighting with it. It is very tempting to bolt the fenders on too.
Now I can swing the beetle around giving me lots of space to do the engine swap.
Don
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sunroof
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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There you are, I knew I saw you somewhere
That was a days work
Something I found out today which is making me a little unhappy is that both rear drums are stuck solid. Not a hint of movement. I think the big bar might persuade them a little.
Now I just need to find 3 guys to help drop the body on the pan so I can move it around the shop and make room for the beetle which is going to need an engine swap.
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sunroof
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Started in on the rear assembly today. There was a bag of hardware that came with all the body/suspension mount stuff.
The center mount was super easy to figure out, a couple of rubber bushings and a mounting plate.
Somehow I forgot to take a picture of it all painted nicely.
The other two mounts were a little more challenging, this was all I had to go on:
This kinda looked like it all went together
There was only one bolt like it but I have been taking beetles apart for 46 years and have never discarded a single fastener so a matching bolt was easy to find.
Even a Kamax!
The full set
There that kinda looks like in the book
Tapping nuts and threaded holes and running dies over bolts was the most time consuming part of the whole afternoon
Including the lug bolt holes
These guys are going to take the better part of an hour to make shine again.Including all new split washers. Speaking of which I need to go to the bolt store and buy a bag of 10 mm split washers.
Now I just have to go through the parts stash and find the pair of tranny mounts I know I saw somewhere...
Don
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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The mid year stuff is only a pain if you're not aware of it. Most of the time it's not really a problem, as most people own a car a year or two above or below the change. In your case, the rotors are the same for 4 years, and directly interchange with a Ghia.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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OK
Done
Getting closer
Of course I can't find the hub caps now.
Don
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Excellent, thank you. This mid year stuff is turning into a real pain.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Yes, those will work. Just use your old bearings and races, so they'll fit your spindles. Remember I mentioned the mid year change in the rear bearing for 68. The rotors are the same from 66 thru mid 71, so you'll be good with them.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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Anyways....The front end is as assembled as it is going to get
On to the rear assembly
This should be interesting.
Don
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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OK so...
OOOO not good
Nope not good at all
Would this rotor work on my early 1966 type 3?
https://www.cip1.ca/vwc-311-405-583-a/
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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| I think those are for either the upper or lower trailing arms |
I'm pretty sure they are for the sway bar trailing arms.
Any pictures of how these bolt up?
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Those go on the lower bolt hole of the opposite lower torsion bar (sandwiched between the bolt head and the beam), with the long ear over the trailing arm lip. If you do a search, you can see how they go, and how they work. They're a keeper to keep the trailing arm from coming out/off. I don't have any pics of them, but the Bentley manual does in the front end section.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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sunroof
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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CIP1.ca was good to their word and acknowledged their mistake and gave me a credit to get the correct tie rod ends.
Bought a couple of taps, M14 x 1.5 right and left hand thread
I media blasted the rods, POR15'd them and tapped the ends and assembled it all
On to these things. I don't know if they are worth cleaning up. Can't imagine where I would get new ones if they are too thin to use
OAN I was hunting through the parts pile hoping for a 6 volt coil for my beetle and found these:
A set of new grub screws, waddya know!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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I'm pretty sure they are for the sway bar trailing arms.
Any pictures of how these bolt up?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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1st pic: Spring plate bushings, they are L & R handed, so be careful to fit them in the right places.
2nd pic: Look like subframe to body bushings
3rd pic: Look like front axle mounting bushings
4th pic: I dunno
5th pic: Stop brackets that bolt to sides of front axle. |
I think those are for either the upper or lower trailing arms, and are for wear (they fill the gap, which is why they're covered in grease).
The others are correct. You should also have 2 flat rubber pieces about an 1/8th inch thick (about 2 by 3 rectangular) for the rear sub to the floor pan mounts.They go between the two parts with short 10mm bolts. Of course at this point in time they might be stuck to either the rear sub, or the pan.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Square back resurrection |
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1st pic: Spring plate bushings, they are L & R handed, so be careful to fit them in the right places.
2nd pic: Look like subframe to body bushings
3rd pic: Look like front axle mounting bushings
4th pic: I dunno
5th pic: Stop brackets that bolt to sides of front axle.
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