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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:31 am Post subject: lost compression |
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| I have a 71bus lost Compression can I just rebuild the top end |
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67rustavenger Samba Member

Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 11417 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:09 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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Lost compression? Go find it!
You could do a topend refresh but, you'll likely find other issues, depending on the mileage since it was last rebuilt.
Remove the engine, tear the topend down and inspect the pistons and heads carefully.
While the cylinders and pistons are off the engine, look through the case/cylinder registers and have a look at the camshaft and lifter surfaces for damage.
Check your crankshaft end play. If it's more than .007-.008" it is likely time to go through the whole engine and replace the bearings/camshaft/lifters and seals.
You won't know what you have going on until you tear it down and inspect the parts. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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airschooled Air-Schooled

Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 13588 Location: West Coast, USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:30 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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Welcome to TheSamba, where we need details, and occasionally punctuation marks. Help us help you!
Perhaps you could just adjust the valves… but it’s kinda hard to help answer your question without having far more information. Did it happen suddenly? All cylinders or just one? What’s your mechanical skill set like?
Robbie _________________ One-on-one tech help for your vintage Volkswagen:
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42865 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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Welcome to thesamba.
You need to come back and tell us more for anyone here to really help you. _________________ George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"  |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 9:30 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| talked to someone that use to work on them he said that the engine was probably over heated and burnt a valve the engine has about 10 to 12 thousand miles on it |
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Xevin  Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 8877
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:09 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| talked to someone that use to work on them he said that the engine was probably over heated and burnt a valve the engine has about 10 to 12 thousand miles on it |
The people who responded actually work on them currently. You have over 100 combined years of VW knowledge that replied.
How did this “Someone” you talk to determine it overheated? Perhaps you gave that “Someone” more information, pictures, or they had their hands on your engine? _________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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airschooled Air-Schooled

Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 13588 Location: West Coast, USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 11:11 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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Or someone f’d up a valve adjustment. Or didn’t adjust the valves. Or didn’t measure correctly. Or your engine is actually fine and it’s just slow like they all are.
Trust me, rebuilding an engine costs a little more than making sure your basics are covered. Like, four thousand times more.
Robbie _________________ One-on-one tech help for your vintage Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com
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dodger tom  Samba Member

Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 2041 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian and Californian
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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you haven’t given any specific information about your situation despite being asked several times.
start with year of bus and engine type.
go back, and read each post, and answer each question.
if you don’t know how to answer, ask for knowledgeable vw mechanics or samba folk in your area.
then ask for a list of questions your could ask them.
the guy saying it might be a burnt valve might not be the best to help you troubleshoot your problem. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
Would never find the time to keep up another classic air-cooled. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| I have 1971 bus with a 1600 dual port was driving down the high way at 60 mph when all if the sudden it started losing power was able to get i home and that is where it is now. if anyone knows of someone that works on them in my area I would appreciate the help |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42865 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| I have 1971 bus with a 1600 dual port was driving down the high way at 60 mph when all if the sudden it started losing power was able to get i home and that is where it is now. if anyone knows of someone that works on them in my area I would appreciate the help |
tell us about your mechanical skills. By chance did the generator light come on while this was happening? Were there any noises, smoke, oil pouring out? Could be as simple as a wire or hose came loose. Sometimes it isn't the engine that lost power - meaning that the clutch slipped, or a CV joint started slipping etc.. _________________ George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
"never time to do it right but always time to do it twice"  |
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lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1739 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:39 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| no lights on dash but the plug wires on #3 and #4 were melted and they had the lowest compression#3 was 35 and #4 was 0 |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24248 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:56 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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The engine comes out to be evaluated in that case. I would expect bothe head and piston and cylinder damage.
$1500 for a good used engine installed, 3x that for a rework of current engine, if possible _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:30 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| Could I just rebuild the top end or would the bottom end need rebuilding too |
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Shonandb  Samba Member

Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 2205 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:50 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| Could I just rebuild the top end or would the bottom end need rebuilding too |
It could be possible but you won't know until you pull the heads and cylinders off to see what you're up against. _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42865 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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Turn the key on and see if the alternator/generator warning light comes on. Then check to see if the fan belt came off. If it did, the engine needs to be completely rebuilt. Bearing material can sluff off when an engine gets hot enough to melt wires. If the fan belt is there, with the engine OFF, turn the generator/alternator and see if the belt slips. That will tell you why it melted, unless critters moved into it over the winter and built a nest. _________________ George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2508 Location: seattle
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| Could I just rebuild the top end or would the bottom end need rebuilding too |
There's the thrust clearance, measured by how far the crankshaft shifts forward & backward in the main bearing saddles, that determines how 'tired' or spent the bottom of the engine is. The other ways of checking include the rod side clearance (got to pull heads/pistons for that)
And pulling a rod cap. If the rod bearing cap surface is not worn to the point of showing copper/brass through the soft overlay, you have an idea of how many miles the engine has run. This all takes time. The thrust clearance is the quickest seeing as it can be done with the engine pulled but not disassembled.
The more you want to know, the more you have to unbolt : l |
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Amskeptic Samba Member

Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8586 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| Could I just rebuild the top end or would the bottom end need rebuilding too |
I think your best next step is to get an actual air-cooled VW expert to look at the engine.
Speculation is fun and all, but cold hard data, a thorough diagnosis, and a repair plan, is your best path forward to getting it running again.
Along the way, you will learn what warning signs to catch before serious engine damage occurs.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Holland Mi
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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| The problem I have is that I can't find anyone in my area that knows Volkswagen air cooled engines. If anyone knows of someone in west Michigan I would appreciate the help |
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mikedjames Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 3410 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:24 am Post subject: Re: lost compression |
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If you are dedicated enough, you will find plenty of basic videos on Youtube showing engine building.
If you were happily hammering a 1600 at 60mph without having given it a basic set of adjustments, it is easy to melt parts of the engine.
Trouble is that if you melt a hole in a piston through the classic "set the timing by ear, it goes like a train" , it sprays melted aluminium dust down into the engine. It then gets circulated round as a powder and gets everywhere. So the engine has to come totally apart for cleaning, to remove all that metal.
But there is nothing stopping anybody from performing a rebuild on a VW engine if you have the space.. or even in the back of the bus.. . That was a rebuild I did a few years back . _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
1973 wooden Pacer sailing dinghy |
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