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ntort Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2011 Posts: 6 Location: chandler, az
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: Which model Vanagon do I have? |
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1984
Vanagon GL
The VIN has a "Y" which means it's a bus/vanagon according to vanagon.com, but it had a full kitchenette (gone now). There is no pop up. It is single color painted. I have been searching for pictures of a similar one, but can't find anything remotely close. I'm new to the wonderful world of Vanagons. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Tin-tops didn't have kitchens. It might have been a 'GL'. The type with the table mounted in the side wall. Looks as if someone tryed to 'customize' it. Enjoy your new van! _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7717 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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If it had a kitchen I'd say it wasn't original & obviously is gone now. (duh)
Probably not any vents/service covers on the drivers side, right?
Sooo...here's my guess:
Orig: stock GL tintop. Nothin' fancy. NOT a Westy. Nope.
(In addition to the side table, the "Weekender" would have had a full-width rear seat, back corner cabinet,
jump seat & light fixture. No sign of any of that stuff, so I don't think that's what we had here.)
???Where's the link to the build codes listed in the pass. cabin????
PO#1: bought the tiptop & put in a kitchen & short (Westy) bench seat...
PO#2: tore out the kitchen & added the stereo (subs, at least)...
So...what's your plan? Change your fuel lines & start livin! _________________ 86 White Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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ntort Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2011 Posts: 6 Location: chandler, az
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick reply. I am so confused!! I thought the "weekender" didn't get going until 86. Every GL that I come across has bench seating (or bus seating). Mine has the same set up as a camper would have, like the same 3/4 bench seat, a 110v outside plug, and remnants of the exhaust.
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dhaavers Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Show us a pic of the driver's side? _________________ 86 White Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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ntort Samba Member
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to have to agree with dhaavers.
Someone put a fridge in the van. Next guy took it out. Some other guy went retarded-monkey with the interior design. Does the side bench seat fold up? If so, put an electric ice chest in there for days down by the river. You've got the plug in, design something for it to go to.
And post pictures. _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7717 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Ummm...yeah. That power port looks pretty ghetto - definitely a hardware store hack.
The fridge vent looks like the Westy, but those aren't hard to come by.
It's in the right place though - fridge must have had propane from somewhere?
What's the black deal up by the driver's door?
Despite all that, here's some strictly academic info if you're curious:
Check near your fusebox for a sticker with "M-codes" - lists options ordered for your van at factory.
Brickyard: M-code listing
I was interested if yours shows either M137: "prep for camper" or M609: "VW Camper" - (but now I expect not).
Also: dig into your VIN# for a few more details...
http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/VehicleSpecific/T3/info/models/models.htm
http://www.vanagonparts.com/vin_decoder.html _________________ 86 White Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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GrindGarage Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 710 Location: Ocean City, NJ
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maybe someone swapped vin plates.... check vin number on frame rail. _________________ -cliff
91 Vanagon AUTO
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DAIZEE Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I have the same vent cover on an ASI. Maybe original purchaser ordered it that way. On ASI's electrical O/L down low. Can't see what the fixture immediately behind drivers door is? Definitely not a Westy, in one way I like the room in the inside but... |
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ntort Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. It's definitely a Wagon GL that somebody converted into a camper. I think they purchased the seats, and kitchen parts of a westie interior and installed them. Then ripped out the appliances and put in a bench seat.
and yes, I am the retarded monkey interior designer! We wanted something fun, islandy and different. We love it! |
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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it looks islandy, just need a palm tree somewhere. It definitely looks like its been customized along the way. I see nothing of a Westy in there tho. Certainly lots of space. Your sliding windows are 1/2's like mine. Any chance this could have been an ASI? without the top? Does it still have the mfg plate on it.? You can check out your Vin number in here. _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Spanky engineering at its finest.
You find any Rasta remnants in there?
Must had some mighty fine stuff to do that kind of art work! _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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edgood1 Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 2048 Location: Plymouth, MA
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I really dislike how the term weekender gets thrown around.
A weekender to me is a pop top van with no kitchen.
I see a lot of people dubbing their regular GL tin top vans "weekenders" because they have a fold out bed or a home made interior just to add an extra zero to the price.
but then again, maybe I'm a hypocrite because I call my syncro a westfalia and its a home made westfalia..... but I ain't selling it and when I do it will be priced accordingly. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia powered by Subaru
1963 Panel to Deluxe Bus project :::: (photo album)
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7717 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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OK - here we go:
Problem is, WE'RE probably the ones using the term weekender incorrectly (even me)...the hardtops you can sleep in were the first true weekenders, starting in 1985.
READ ON:
WEEKENDER
VW first offers the "Weekender Package" in 1985, ONLY for hardtops:
"Folding rear bench seat with storage compartment, engine compartment cushion and center seat with folding backrest"
Options from 1985 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/85vanagon/page11.jpg
Described slightly different in 1986: "folding bed, engine compartment cushion - cloth only" - again ONLY as an option on hardtop models.
I haven't scanned in my 1986 brochure, but here are the identical options listed in 1987 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1987_00_vanagon/Seite13.jpg
POPTOP
Before 1986 there was only one camper model; "Camper"
- what we now often call a "Full Westy" w/poptop bed, sink, stove, fridge & cabinets.
Starting in 1986, this was model was renamed the "Camper GL"
- same features as the previous "Camper".
In 1986 the "Camper" model became what now is sometimes incorrectly called a "weekender":
- that is, poptop bed, built-in closet & overhead storage, fluorescent interior light, curtains, hatch door screen & skylight...PLUS...
2nd battery, "jump" seat behind driver's seat, 110/12-volt "icebox", folding side table, 3-across folding bench seat & (OMG) THREE built in cup holders!
Who knows where this incongruity crept in...I blame GoWesty!
This article attempts to explain it, but glosses over many important differences from year to year and even uses the term "Weekender" (incorrectly) to describe the base model Camper...
http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1138
I know after I read that several years ago, I started looking for a poptop "weekender"...
Or maybe I'm confused again...??? _________________ 86 White Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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seanjenn Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome, nice lookin van you got there.
I agre with the Vanagon GL idea. Somebody pulled the original bench seat and put that one in there. Which is good cuz now you don't have to bother with it. Looks like you've got quite a bit of storage as well.Right on! What are you plans for her? _________________ 1987 GL Sunroof
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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80 and 81, some Westy poptop models had no stove, no fridge, 3 person bed/bench.
84 Wolfy hardtop model sold with true bed, curtains, side windows with screens.
85 Wolfy poptop no kitchen model, first year
I consider any hardtop with bed to be a weekender, with the 84 Wolfy hardtop as the first afaik.
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DAIZEE Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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just when I thought I had it (models) all figured out. The only thing I know for sure is that I owned a 1984 wbx Westy Vanagon GL Wolfsberg Edition and now I own an 1983.5 (former wbx now Jetta diesel conversion) Vanagon L Riviera model. I'm going to keep it simple from now on. Is it a Vanagon with or without a pop top!!! _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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We only got a few of the models.
There are more configurations and they depended on what M codes you ordered.
Most vans in the US were bought off the lot and hence you got what the higher ups thought you needed.
I am told by a VW old timer that the special 89 models were ordered ala carte. VOA manager said those would never sell. They became quite popular as we know.
I was just a few years out of college when the Westys came out and I was too taken by GTIs to notice the Vanagons.....Oh my, how we change... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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OddN Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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dhaavers wrote: |
OK - here we go:
Problem is, WE'RE probably the ones using the term weekender incorrectly (even me)...the hardtops you can sleep in were the first true weekenders, starting in 1985.
READ ON:
WEEKENDER
VW first offers the "Weekender Package" in 1985, ONLY for hardtops:
"Folding rear bench seat with storage compartment, engine compartment cushion and center seat with folding backrest"
Options from 1985 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/85vanagon/page11.jpg
Described slightly different in 1986: "folding bed, engine compartment cushion - cloth only" - again ONLY as an option on hardtop models.
I haven't scanned in my 1986 brochure, but here are the identical options listed in 1987 brochure: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1987_00_vanagon/Seite13.jpg
POPTOP
Before 1986 there was only one camper model; "Camper"
- what we now often call a "Full Westy" w/poptop bed, sink, stove, fridge & cabinets.
Starting in 1986, this was model was renamed the "Camper GL"
- same features as the previous "Camper".
In 1986 the "Camper" model became what now is sometimes incorrectly called a "weekender":
- that is, poptop bed, built-in closet & overhead storage, fluorescent interior light, curtains, hatch door screen & skylight...PLUS...
2nd battery, "jump" seat behind driver's seat, 110/12-volt "icebox", folding side table, 3-across folding bench seat & (OMG) THREE built in cup holders!
Who knows where this incongruity crept in...I blame GoWesty!
This article attempts to explain it, but glosses over many important differences from year to year and even uses the term "Weekender" (incorrectly) to describe the base model Camper...
http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1138
I know after I read that several years ago, I started looking for a poptop "weekender"...
Or maybe I'm confused again...??? |
Now you got me confused as well...
I have always thought the Weekender was similar to the european Multivan. That is, full width fold down rear seat, table and rear facing jump seat(s). Starting in 85, it was (partly) based on the 82 - 83 Westfalia Sport Joker layout. Rear cabinets and poptop were optional extras.
But now you say that the Weekender was actually VW's name on the regular 7 seater Vanagon with the fold down rear seat and engine compartment cushion as well...
So any Vanagon with provisions to sleep, but not cook is a weekender? _________________ 1991 VW Multivan syncro 1,9 TD |
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