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EVfun 
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 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:15 am Post subject: Re: How to verify you have correct Oval front wings? |
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Fenders appear correct. The very low mounting of later tail lights suggests where the originals where mounted, plus no over rider holes. The fronts appear to have the bulged headlight detail, plus the turn signals are in the wrong place so added later. I don't see evidence that bullet signals where mounted, fitting since it should be a semaphore car.
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Brendel20
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:23 am Post subject: Re: How to verify you have correct Oval front wings? |
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No beetle expert here. Can you please help me ID wether my hood, fenders, etc. are correct for this August built 1954 beetle? I know the deck lid is not correct for sure. Thanks!
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jordirg
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Hello, I buy two wings that theoretically come from an oval 1957, the question is that when cleaning the old paint I get the logo AUSS 298 is an ID?
One wing have changed the lamp housing but otherwise the wings look the same, if they were of an oval 1957 would correct mount on a 1954?
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Sunroof53
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| Yes the one on the left is OG .There are probably other differences with that wing including the area around the headlamp and running board mount area.Some repro fenders are worse than others but none are correct in the running board area or the shape around the headlamp.You might also notice the headlamp bowl on the back of the og one is rounded at the back rather than flat.Oval wings are a bit wider to and appear to curve over the wheel more.Metal conduit will also be missing from a repro unless it was added later.Pics posted on previous page. |
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Mats W
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:40 am Post subject: My Oval's fenders |
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My Oval has two different front wings. The left one I believe is an OG with a clearly visible different shape compared to the right one (as I have marked with red arrows) which is a later model. |
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AlteWagen
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| rears are the same from 56-60. Identified by pressings between bolt holes. |
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GLHTurbo
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Are 58 and 59 fenders the same as a 56/57 Fender up front with the exception of lack of bullet indicators? I found a set I think might be worth getting, and can add in the bullets and shave the top mount signals.
Are the rears the same? |
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valentinesr
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I had asked the same information and started a thread on fenders, cause I to wanted to know more about them.. Heres the link of that information that might help..
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=307483&highlight=front+fender
Heres some pics to help some of the comments from above...
Drivers Side Front (some were saying to look at the pressed nut on the back, here are two different styles.
The flare where it meets the running board...All four fenders I have..
I do have an extra set off a 1953 I picked up last year..but I get home in December..and the drivers side has to get an OG sheet metal donor repair in the headlight bucket area..then off to the body shop for final TLC, then back on TheSamba for a fellow in need of a pair of OG front fenders..
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Kjell Roar
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As far as I can see in these threads, my 56 oval have the same front fenders as until 11. august 59 ( 2 539 142).
And that make sense, since one of my fenders is from a 58, the other one is probably original. And they messure the same (34 cm, ref. the link above). The fenders fit the wheels perfectly.
Many people refer to oval fenders, but we have to be aware that it is early and late oval fenders (which includes late 50').
Or do some have other information?
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This link shows the difference :
http://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=16493
Luckily my car have two correct oval fenders, even though one of them was taken from a 58. It is a different pressing betveen oval and big windows in the light bucket.
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jooles
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fitz57
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an oval front fender has a place that sticks up where the running board meets the fender...i tried to find a pic hope you can tell by this
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59 dormi
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Also weight an original fender is a lot heavier
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Bruce
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The pics of the yellow wings do not show the details of an original oval wing. Pics showing the rear end where it meets the running boards, the flange by the headlight bucket, and the flange at the front bottom by the bumper mount will tell the story.
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vwmadeinireland
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Don't want to hyjack the topic, but as many others I am in the same situation. I've been offered this set of front fenders, but am unsure whether they are correct for oval or not. Note that they are not US spec. As they are not cheap, I rather know in advance. Any help is very much appreciated.
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RareAir
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That looks original |
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Sunroof53
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Personally i think there was a short piece tube welded to the bowl and the conduit is over the top of that .hard to say if it was welded or has just rusted in place.
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Andrew oval
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Headlamp bowl
repros have a distict crease in the shape and no conduit.
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I hope it's okay to jump in and ask a semi-related question...
Should the wiring tubes for the headlights butt against the headlamp bowls or should they go into the headlamp bowls?
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Clarky
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Cheers guys,
Will measure tomorrow to get a better idea, I am thinking the lhs is an oval the rhs a repro.
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53 0val
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: How to verify you have correct Oval front wings? |
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Hi,
I have a pair of wings that came with my old '54 Oval but I stashed them in the loft of my garage until last week.
On closer inspection I think one may be an original wing, the other I think not.
How do I confirm for sure that they are/are not oval wings?
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Take a measurement across the widest part of the fender................if there is a difference...........one of them has been replaced. None of the reproduction fenders are an exact match for the OG one. A tape measure will point out the difference very easily.
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Sunroof53
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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The grey wing is a repro ,The brown wing is origianal us spec.Grey one is a good shape but does not curve over the wheel as much.
Headlamp bowl
repros have a distict crease in the shape and no conduit.
Very distinct curve here
This shows a right hand wing and the curve from the mounting face up to the headlamp bowl.Repros tend not to have this or curve is the other way.
Flange showing some press marks.Rears have a distict indent
curve over the wheel.
From the top.look how far the headlamp appears forward of the wing
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