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Dlglobal1
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 Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Managed to get all the steering components disassembled, cleaned and back together. Tore down the steering box and rebuilt it (thanks for the awesome tutorial OKType3Tim).
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:08 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Thanks Tram. I assume no heat on the bolt then.
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Tram
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Thanks guys! Allot of heat did the trick. Now, the bolt that holds the pitman arm to the steering box...there is a seal in there right? That big bolt has been there for 50 years so I guess heat is needed there too. Is that seal available in case I goof and melt it? Steering box is in good shape so only plan to open the top, clean it out fill with corn head grease and be done.
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Get some Sili Kroil. Soak it for a few days. Remove the nut. Get the right buller and crank it tight. Walk away for awhile. Come back, knock the side of the pitman arm with a BFH. More Sili Kroil, crank the puller tighter, walk away.
Repeat as necessary. It'll come.
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Thanks guys! Allot of heat did the trick. Now, the bolt that holds the pitman arm to the steering box...there is a seal in there right? That big bolt has been there for 50 years so I guess heat is needed there too. Is that seal available in case I goof and melt it? Steering box is in good shape so only plan to open the top, clean it out fill with corn head grease and be done.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Heat!
Get that thing glowing red hot and it will come free..  |
Yup.
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Clatter
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:06 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Heat!
Get that thing glowing red hot and it will come free..
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Thanks Bob. I have new tie rod ends, including the elusive angle left inner. The issue is I can’t get the old ends off. Both outer ends on the tubular rod have been peened so a bit stumped as to how to get the old ends off.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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The outer, or straight tie rod ends are the same as a bug.The lengths are different on the tubular part. It might be worth checking with Mario to see if he has any parts. Or maybe contact Heritage parts.
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Haven’t posted anything in ages...so thought I’d pick up where I left off after repairing the front beam. It’s been sitting on the bench since last winter. I wanted the removal and install to be as easy as possible, so decided to make the VW 613 “Front Axle Cradle”. Super happy with the result, and it’s made removal a breeze.
Once removed, I focused on the tie rods. Here is where I need some help. Seems the outer ends are peened from the factory (I believe these are the original ends as all are stamped with a VW logo). These do not appear to have been removed before. What is the removal procedure? The left inner angled end came off easily, the rest are stuck and won’t budge. Heat, penetrating oil are not working. Are our tie rods interchangeable with any other VW? New replacements available?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Nice work.
Love seeing those bits together all pretty and clean..
Beautiful.
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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I wonder if the number stamped on the beam is a production number. Perhaps done similar to the I.O. on the engine after final inspection?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:07 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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You have to do good/clean work for those European VW Shows! 
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:43 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Progress is progress....finally finished restoring beam #3. The dent came out very easily. Welded a bolt and gently rocked it until the dent was gone.
I cleaned all the old grease out and checked the bearings and bushings which were like new. I used Superlube which seems very good. Cleaned and plated all the original bolts, new ball joints and it’s ready for install.
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Glad to hear you got the dent out.
As for that inked number on the beam, according to Russ, the VW dealership would record that number in their files. Don't know what they did with it afterward, but that's what they did with them. It doesn't match up with any VIN numbers either, so it's just a beam number. Maybe it's used to designate whether it's been replaced. IDK. Tram??
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Progress is progress....finally finished restoring beam #3. The dent came out very easily. Welded a bolt and gently rocked it until the dent was gone.
I cleaned all the old grease out and checked the bearings and bushings which were like new. I used Superlube which seems very good. Cleaned and plated all the original bolts, new ball joints and it’s ready for install.
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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I know from experience that the phenolic bushings in there won’t survive the 400F or so associated with a powder coat oven,
So be careful.
Unless you can find another bushing to push in there afterwards..
It would surprise me if you can get that dent out without a lot of heat,
Unless it’s a good distance from the bushing.
Maybe there’s room for a wet rag or that asbestos packing that welders use..?
Might be able to get a bolt welded to the bottom of the dent,
And then grab it with a slide hammer..? |
Thanks for the info. The bushings and trailing arms are in good shape, show no significant wear. Inside of the beam is very clean and packed with grease so that will be fun cleaning. My plan was to clean and paint the beam not powder coat it.
I’ll shove a wet rag in there, weld up a bolt on the dent and pull it. The dent is not at the bushing location. |
If everything is good clean and tight, I'd be tempted to leave the dent alone. It would be a shame to screw up an otherwise clean beam.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Dlglobal1
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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I know from experience that the phenolic bushings in there won’t survive the 400F or so associated with a powder coat oven,
So be careful.
Unless you can find another bushing to push in there afterwards..
It would surprise me if you can get that dent out without a lot of heat,
Unless it’s a good distance from the bushing.
Maybe there’s room for a wet rag or that asbestos packing that welders use..?
Might be able to get a bolt welded to the bottom of the dent,
And then grab it with a slide hammer..? |
Thanks for the info. The bushings and trailing arms are in good shape, show no significant wear. Inside of the beam is very clean and packed with grease so that will be fun cleaning. My plan was to clean and paint the beam not powder coat it.
I’ll shove a wet rag in there, weld up a bolt on the dent and pull it. The dent is not at the bushing location.
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Clatter
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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I -think- it was ‘Yabbadubbadoo’ or someone in Oz who had made these bushings?
Ideally, you would put in a whole new set of bushes, right?
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Clatter
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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I know from experience that the phenolic bushings in there won’t survive the 400F or so associated with a powder coat oven,
So be careful.
Unless you can find another bushing to push in there afterwards..
It would surprise me if you can get that dent out without a lot of heat,
Unless it’s a good distance from the bushing.
Maybe there’s room for a wet rag or that asbestos packing that welders use..?
Might be able to get a bolt welded to the bottom of the dent,
And then grab it with a slide hammer..?
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: Re: 1970 Fasty Danish barn find |
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Thanks Bob. I should clarify that the beam did not come from Mario. I found it from another of the sellers at the show. I’m thinking I can just tack a bolt on the dent and pull it with a slide hammer.
Do you think the heat from a tack weld would damage the inner bush?
I measured the trailing arm and bush location. The bush is about 17cm from the thrust surface inward and placed in the lower inner section. The dent is 14cm from the thrust edge and on the outer beam housing only so I’m thinking it will be ok. Thoughts? |
Put a wet rag between the dent and the bushing. Closer to the end of the bushing to keep heat off the bushing, and you should be ok. Try to limit the amount of heat/time it's hot. Then give it a go. You might get lucky and it'll move just enough.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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