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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

How to change oil on a Volkswagen Type 4 engine

This guide describes how to change the oil on a VW Type 4 engine. It is geared towards a bus, but for the most part it should apply to other models and makes equipped with the Type 4 engine (VW Type 4, Porsche 912E, Porsche 914). To make it easier and with the hobbyist with a limited toolset in mind, the bus is kept on the ground. A seasoned mechanic with access to heavier equipment would most probably lift the vehicle.

While the whole process, including oil strainer cleaning and oil filter replacement is described, they are not necessary to do at each oil change. Check the service intervals on your owner's manual to decide when you need to do these.

Materials

Consumables

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The most essential items you will need to do an oil change. Note that the picture is simply showing one brand and grade of engine oil for the sake of example, but not advocating for its use

1. Engine oil
2. Oil filter
3. Oil drain plug washer
4. Oil strainer gasket set (two gaskets and a crush washer)
5. Oil strainer

Question Which oil should I use? => Skip to the FAQ section below
Question Which oil filter should I use? => Skip to the FAQ section below

Idea Unlike other procedures in your car, and perhaps except for the oil itself, the parts required for doing an oil change are cheap. Do yourself a favour and order each set more than once. It can be a lifesaver if you lose or damage any part, and it will save you postage fees for the next oil change if you ordered them online.

Idea Unless your old strainer is damaged, a new one is optional. But it can save you the time to clean the old strainer. You can then keep the old strainer, clean it in your own time, and swap them on the next oil change. Also, oil strainers are made of aluminum and thus relatively fragile, so if you happen to crush one of them, you will then have a replacement.

Tools

Essential
• Socket wrench
• Torque wrench in·ft or N·m (e.g. 6 - 30 N·m)
• 19 mm socket
• 13 mm socket
• Drain pan (min. 4 l or 1 gallon)

Good to have
• Disposable gloves: nitrile or latex, you don't want blackened nails when you go to dinner later
• Large paper roll: to clean parts and any mess left behind
• Bowl or container: for oily removed/replaced parts
• Funnel: to do the oil refill
• Old toothbrush: to clean oil strainer
• Carb and choke cleaner or dish soap: to clean oil strainer and plate
• An old mat: to lie on the floor while doing the oil change

Exclamation Use the torque wrench for tightening only, you do not want to overstress the torque limiting mechanism while applying lots of force. Use the regular wrench for undoing nuts and bolts.

Idea If you use lbf·ft where you are, you will be better equipped with an inch pound torque wrench for low torques such as here. Pound foot tend to have a wider range and are less accurate on the lower torque band.

Procedure

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Drainage and cleanup

1. Find a place on level ground: it will ensure effective draining and accurate oil level check
2. Warm up the engine: drive or run the car idle for a few of minutes to heat up the oil. It will make it less viscous to ease draining
3. Prepare the change pan: place it underneath the drain plug
4. Remove drain plug with a 19 mm socket
5. Let the oil drain for some minutes
6. Remove the oil strainer nut with a 13 mm socket
7. Clean or replace the oil strainer: an old toothbrush works wonders here
8. Clean the strainer cover plate with dish soap
9. Remove the oil filter (by hand or with tool). Move the change pan underneath the filter first.

Idea As the filter is obviously filled with oil (half a liter/quart of it), a thick black mass will start quickly dripping out of the filter as soon as you remove it from the thread. Have your oil pan ready for it underneath. If your pan is not large enough to cover all the places where oil is dripping from now (oil strainer, oil drain, oil filter holes), put the filter in another container and then pour the oil back to your pan. Alternatively, assemble the oil strainer and drain plug first, and then undo the filter.

Idea When removing the oil strainer nut, you will notice the old crush washer will be firmly attached to it. Use a thin knife or metal plate to pry it out and then replace it by the new washer.

Assembly

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1. Drain plug: use a new copper washer [3] and tighten the drain plug [4] with a 19 mm socket at 22 Nm (16 lbf·ft)
2. Oil strainer: use a new gasket set [1] and crush washer [2], tighten the nut [5] with a 13 mm socket at 10-13 N·m (7-9 lbf·ft)
3. Oil filter: coat its rubber seal with engine oil and install the oil filter hand tightening it.

Exclamation Do not overtighten the oil strainer nut. This is probably the most important thing you need to watch out for while doing the oil change. Keep to the torque spec of max 13 N·m or 9 lbf·ft. Do yourself a favour and get a torque wrench. If you are however in the middle of nowhere only armed with a regular socket wrench and sticks and stones, get it tight and then a tiny bit more.

Idea Fitting the oil strainer and the two sandwiched gaskets while lying on the floor on a tight space and trying to keep it level is not everyone's idea of fun. An easier way is to attach the gaskets to the strainer so you are dealing with only one part. Glue them up with something that's oil and temperature resistant and that's easy to remove next time you need to replace the gaskets. I use Hylomar M (non-setting gasket compound) as it was what I happened to have at hand last time. I've heard of other folks using grease or RTV for instance. Your mileage might vary.

Idea In a pinch, if you do not have a new copper washer for the drain plug, you can anneal the old one by heating it with a propane torch after removal. This will soften and expand the metal, preparing it for a fresh crush. Tip courtesy of lil-jinx.

Refill

1. Open the oil filler and refill with oil to the required capacity
2. Check the oil level on the dipstick (no need to wait for it to settle, as you've only filled the sump). At this point it might seem high, but particularly if you've changed the filter, which will be filled with half a quart (liter) once you start the engine.
3. Exclamation Replace the oil filler cap Exclamation. Don't be that guy.
4. Start the engine, and check that the oil pressure warning light goes out after a few seconds as expected.
5. Check for leaks and address them –e.g. retighten the filter.

Exclamation If you forget to put back the oil cap, you will be creating a vacuum leak in the crankcase. The oil filler is not part of the oil circuit, so the oil pressure will not be affected. But other than potentially adding contaminants to the sump (e.g. you've been driving offroad with the cap off), the main issue is the vacuum leak, which won't allow the engine to run well. Particularly in fuel-injected engines, you will be introducing unmetered air to the intake, the symptom of which is a poor idle, generally stalling the engine.

Idea While checking for leaks, you might want to put a cardboard on the floor underneath the engine. This will help you see the most obvious leaks, particularly if some oil was already spilled on the floor during the change.

Idea There seems to be one school of thought that favours prefilling the filter before fitting it in, as opposed to fitting it dry. As described in Tom Wilson's "How to rebuild your Volkswagen air-cooled engine", pp148, the idea behind it is to speed priming at engine start.

Reference

Torques

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Capacities

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FAQ

Which oil should I use?

Ah, you've happened to reach a very hot topic, and outside of the scope of this guide.

Folks with more expertise than I have been discussing this at length, so I'll just point you to that conversation and some other resources to make your own decision. For instance, this website, despite the "welcome to the 90s" look goes into the concepts related to oil characteristics and usage in a very concise and clear way.

TL;DR – use a multi-grade oil with at least API Service Classification SE or higher (current is SN). Then decide on mineral vs. synthetic, then decide on its grade (thin vs. thick) depending on the age of your engine and the area where you'll be driving it. I myself ended up picking up the same grade the previous owner had been running the bus with for the last 10 years.

Which oil filter should I use?

Just get one of the OEM ones for VW's 021115351A:
• Mann W920/17 filter
• Mahle OC 28 filter
• Bosch 0 451 103 084 (or P3084) filter

From what I gather, some folks in the US also recommend the NAPA Gold 1521 or the WIX 51521.

Idea Note that only Mann and Mahle seem to be doing their own filters. All of the rest outsource fabrication to one of a set of companies. Often the same filter manufacturer delivers filters to different companies. While not exactly for the same filter model, if you want to learn more about oil filter manufacturing, their quality and more, you can check out this great comparison of German (read for VWs) oil filters

Further reading

Oil change, by Sean Bartnik
Oil change video by KorduroyTV
Type 4 oil change with pictures, by user felixqld66 on the Australian Kombiclub forum
Oil selection, by Richard Atwell
Engine oil service classifications
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Motivation: there was a question recently about changing oil on a Type 4 engine, and it struck me that there wasn't any howto in the forums to do that.

Possibly because it's a fairly simple procedure once you've done it once or many times. It is also well understood and described in the owner's manual.

Yet I thought that particularly for a new owner who has never worked on a bus before it would be good to have a more in-depth guide to complement the manual with some tips and more pictures.

I also generally document what I do in a personal wiki, so I don't forget it the next time I need to do it. As I had started doing this already, I thought I'd paste my notes here on the forum in case they can be useful to others.

Caveats:
• This howto is for a Type 4 engine on a late bus. It does not cover the Type 1 because... well, I don't have one. Besides, I find one-for-all guides difficult to maintain and to read.
• The target audience are new bus owners or long time ones that want to start doing some work themselves. If you're a seasoned bus owner, mechanic (or both), you won't be using this guide, but perhaps you can share some of your experience here too –or who knows, learn something new Smile

Comments, critique, corrections, appreciated!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Nice write up. Its these precevied simple things that represent atleast half the questions on forums. The rest is how to ad a battery door or how to overheat my new engine with the wrong muffler. Laughing

You forgot the beer. Where in this process do you have a beer?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

I agree, good job. Though simple, you effectively cover many topics. Like the gaskets and crush washer for the oil strainer. Which, BTW, I don't know where to get?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Very well done! Clear and concise. While I grew up changing my own oil, my teenage son wouldn't have a clue where to start. Thanks for taking the time to document the process for the next generation of VW mechanics.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Any equivalent of a Motorcraft FL-1A filter will work too (Ford F150 and Mustang) They are longer than the stock size but unless you are driving some very unimproved roads, it doesnt hang down too low, about a half inch below the heater boxes. Plus you can run with a slightly larger capacity of oil.

Some will say, and i agree, to just run a full 4 qts worth.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Furgo,

\Why would you say the (inspection plate) is NOT used on a Bus Think

Also, ONLY periodic removal is needed for the sump screen since 1972 have
an very effective spin-on oil filter. and,removing the screen is only required
if a "known problem" may exist which is questionable.

carry on, i'm just an old guy. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

old DKP driver wrote:
Furgo,

\Why would you say the (inspection plate) is NOT used on a Bus Think

Also, ONLY periodic removal is needed for the sump screen since 1972 have
an very effective spin-on oil filter. and,removing the screen is only required
if a "known problem" may exist which is questionable.

carry on, i'm just an old guy. Very Happy


Agreed. Removing the screen for every oil change can result in unforeseen issues at some point. After a complete rebuild I remove the screen only 1-2 times after initial break in. Then not again until either rebuild time or an issue arises that....

Which rarely ever happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Excellent!
It wasn't too long ago that I was that novice!
TheSamba is a vast resource and so it can be reassuring to find a clearly titled thread that gives you a detailed walk-through for something like this.
Well done.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the comments. To address some of the direct questions and suggestions:

notchboy wrote:
Nice write up. Its these precevied simple things that represent atleast half the questions on forums. [...] You forgot the beer. Where in this process do you have a beer?


Thanks Smile I shall correct this by mentioning that during this process the bus provides ample beer storage space. It is conveniently located above the engine compartment next to where your tools are, for a well deserved easy reach once finished.

aerosurfer wrote:
Any equivalent of a Motorcraft FL-1A filter will work too (Ford F150 and Mustang) They are longer than the stock size but unless you are driving some very unimproved roads, it doesnt hang down too low, about a half inch below the heater boxes. Plus you can run with a slightly larger capacity of oil.


Thanks. While in order keep the guide simple I'd rather not add each oil filter available, let me think how to best factor in this kind of (valuable!) info. I can either mention just a few more filters, or direct folks to the thread comments.

aerosurfer wrote:
Some will say, and i agree, to just run a full 4 qts worth.


Interesting. So above max capacity, with filter change, right? Or is this with the bigger filter you mention earlier? I think this is worth adding to the guide, with the rationale behind it. Would you mind ellaborating a bit more?

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Why would you say the (inspection plate) is NOT used on a Bus


To be clearer and stay on topic, I should probably say it's not used in this process. The reason I mention the plate at all is because to someone new this looks like and is relatively close to the oil strainer plate. I for one did wonder what it was and whether it should be taken off. Bus novices should be pointed out not to mess with it and the reason why.

But afaik there is no other use for the plate, other than housing aftermarket temp senders. If there is, do let me know, I'm always happy to learn something new Smile

old DKP driver wrote:
Also, ONLY periodic removal is needed for the sump screen since 1972 have an very effective spin-on oil filter. and,removing the screen is only required if a "known problem" may exist which is questionable.


I've re-read the guide and I can't find a place where it advocates for strainer removal at each oil change. In fact, as early as in the second paragraph, it states:

furgo wrote:

While the whole process, including oil strainer cleaning and oil filter replacement is described, they are not necessary to do at each oil change. Check the service intervals on your owner's manual to decide when you need to do these.


old DKP driver wrote:
carry on, i'm just an old guy. Very Happy


All positive or negative feedback, as long as respectful is valid and very appreciated. Thanks for going through the writeup and taking the time to add your suggestions! Smile

udidwht wrote:
Agreed. Removing the screen for every oil change can result in unforeseen issues at some point.


See the comment above, the guide does not state that. But as it's the second time it's being mentioned, it is either not obvious enough, or people skip the intro.

I could conceivably make it more visible by writing it in bold, or perhaps add the change intervals. I actually considered the latter when doing the writeup, but decided against and to point you to the manual to a) keep it simple and b) spare myself the overhead to research the (often conflicting) service intervals of different manuals and summarize it. Come on, while mostly everything is in the Samba, at some point you should reach to your friendly Bentley Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Gregg in the 603 wrote:
I agree, good job. Though simple, you effectively cover many topics. Like the gaskets and crush washer for the oil strainer. Which, BTW, I don't know where to get?


Thanks. I understand you are based in the US, so you will find the oil strainer gasket set at Bus Depot. The VW part # used to be 021198031B if I'm not mistaken, so you can use that to find other retailers. Also a search on e-bay or google for "oil strainer gasket set vw 021198031B" does return some meaningful results.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Furgo,

Your info here will help new members and i am sure many will benefit
from your post.
I spent all my young life working on these cars and always like reading
from members here that can add any helpful info on maintaining our
vehicles. Cheer's .

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

furgo wrote:
Thanks everyone for the comments. To address some of the direct questions and suggestions:
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old DKP driver wrote:
Why would you say the (inspection plate) is NOT used on a Bus
To be clearer and stay on topic, I should probably say it's not used in this process. The reason I mention the plate at all is because to someone new this looks like and is relatively close to the oil strainer plate.
You should edit your text accordingly.

While you are at it, I did catch one little typo: Your section on essential tools lists a torque wrench in in·ft instead of ft·lb on in·lb.

Otherwise a nice write-up.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

If you do not have a new copper washer for the drain plug,you can anneal the old one by heating it with a propane torch,after removal,this will soften and expand the metal, preparing it for a fresh crush.
The inspection plate is just that,a plate that you can remove to inspect the inside of the engine,check cam gear and lash or look deeper with a scope.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:
You should edit your text accordingly.


Thanks for the feedback. I'll update it once I've put together a small writeup for the inspection plate (see more below)

jtauxe wrote:
While you are at it, I did catch one little typo: Your section on essential tools lists a torque wrench in in·ft instead of ft·lb on in·lb.


Is that not correct already? The unit of torque is pound-foot, not foot-pound, if I'm not mistaken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-foot_(torque)

lil-jinx wrote:
If you do not have a new copper washer for the drain plug,you can anneal the old one by heating it with a propane torch,after removal,this will soften and expand the metal, preparing it for a fresh crush.


Nice tip, added!

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The inspection plate is just that,a plate that you can remove to inspect the inside of the engine,check cam gear and lash or look deeper with a scope.


Thanks. I've since then added something else about the inspection plate, and I stand corrected about it not being used in the bus, courtesy of raygreenwood (thanks for the info!).

The main purpose of the inspection plate, taco plate, or whichever its name (there doesn't seem to be an official name from VW? Any 411 owners who can chip in?) was to house an engine heater. The idea was to heat up the oil from within the sump in areas with extreme cold climate, to augment the oil viscosity and reduce the effort to components (e.g. starter) associated with starting the engine.

An engine or block heater was essentially a resistor hooked up to the mains current irradiating heat that you'd leave connected for a while before starting the engine.

They don't seem to be very common in buses, but apparently at least most Scandinavian owners would know what it was.

I'm not sure there was a genuine VW part for it, as all the pictures I've seen seem to be for aftermarket ones, but this thread covers a few and has links to others:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7454411#7454411

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While the taco plate is designed to house an internal heater that is in direct contact with the oil, there were also some that could be attached externally (e.g. with magnets).

Reportedly, a good piece of advice with those seems to be "Don't forget to remove the extension cord before you leave the house." Smile

Two final thoughts for discussion:

1) I've just realized that the recess you see in the middle of the inspection plate is to accommodate the tip of the dipstick, which rests slightly below the sump bottom. Why does the dipstick need to be this extra long? Could the plate not be made flat and the dipstick shorter?

2) This might be a long shot, but I wonder if the inspection plate could be used to check if a bus has been affected by the Type 4 syndrome (i.e. overtightened oil strainer nut, case cracked inside). I saw a thread of a guy who had just put together an engine, thought he'd overtightened the nut, and had to take the case apart to find out that it was all fine. I guess if you could put one of those small cameras on a probe and if it could reach to the oil pickup, that could have saved him the trouble of taking the case apart and putting it back together.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

You may be right as to the purpose of the mystery hole.As an inspection hole it sucks,all you can really see is a few teeth on the cam,with a good scope you may see into the engine,of course there weren't any good scopes back then.
Here is a picture of what you see when the cover is removed,the 2 square holes is where you would see the cam,a small mirror is required.other then that the oil pick-up tube blocks the view into the engine.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Nice how to. One thing that I like in the instructions is that they say to only let the oil drain for some minutes. Excessive drain times can cause the oil pump to lose prime, which is not good. It will also give you more time to forget the sump is dry, increasing the chance that you or someone else will start your rig up and and maybe even drive off with no oil in the engine.

Also one should never install any drain plug unless they tighten it right then. Losing an engine because you only hand tightened the drain plug on an engine, tranny, or other box, is enough to make a grown man cry. The spin-on oil filter is on this list as well, put it on and tighten immediately, that phone call or potty break can wait.

One thing that needs to be corrected, is that the labels for the two charts (Torques and Capacities) are reversed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Unprimed engine damage on startup is an internet myth. Just don’t go into Indy 500 mode on startup, give the engine 30 seconds before loading. This is good practice on regular startup too.

Great write up for reference purposes! Nice catch on the table labels WT
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

furgo wrote:
jtauxe wrote:
While you are at it, I did catch one little typo: Your section on essential tools lists a torque wrench in in·ft instead of ft·lb or in·lb.


Is that not correct already? The unit of torque is pound-foot, not foot-pound, if I'm not mistaken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-foot_(torque)

The error is not in whether torque is expressed (in Freedom Units /s) as "ft·lbf" or "lbf·ft" (since these are equivalent due to the property of commutivity), it is in the erroneous use of "in·ft", which would be of dimensions L², as in an area.

While we're at it, later in the write up, in reference to the drain plug, you mention "22 Nm", which should be "22 N·m".

And if you really want to get into usage details, add a hyphen when using units as an adjective, but not as a noun. For example, "This wrench is 13 mm", but "This is a 13-mm wrench." (Standard Practice for Use of the International System of Units, ASTM E-380 93)

Ha! Who would've imagined an SI and units nut here in the US?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: How to: changing oil on a Type 4 engine Reply with quote

Anyone disappointed that this wasn't a post with video from Erb? Very Happy

Nice write up!
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